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Feb 16 2007, 02:20 AM
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The T25 flyby page is now online; however, so far as I can tell, the mission description document isn't available publicly yet.
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Feb 27 2007, 08:07 PM
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What we need to know to be able to properly interpret this latest lake image is whether or not the SAR mode can actually penetrate the surface of the liquid we're looking at. If it does penetrate, how deeply does it penetrate?
I'm frankly having a hard time believing that the lower portion of this lake is actually filled with liquid. Look at the upper portion, which is obviously liquid-filled -- there is a spit of linked islands near the center of the image, very near the top. You can see absolutely nothing of the formation which, logically, must connect this spit of islands beneath the lake surface. They completely disappear at what appears to be the surface level of the liquid. It's certainly the horizon at which the radar ceases to "see" through the liquid. There is no darkening, no "bathtub ring" around the bases of these spit islands, to indicate that we're looking through the surface of the liquid (as you would expect if the lower portion of the image is seeing submerged terrain). The break in visibility between the "seeing horizon" and the spit islands is sharp and well-defined. Also, in the lower portion of the image, there are several locations which reflect just as darkly as the liquid surface above, and they tend to be arrayed in arroyo-like formations. These *could* just be drainage formations that are, indeed, currently submerged, but again, it's really hard to say when you don't know how deeply the radar may be penetrating the liquid's surface. Without any convincing data about how far the radar can penetrate this liquid, I'm pretty certain that the lower portion of the image is not currently flooded, but that the radar-dark material that seems to complete the lake shore is actually sedimentation from recent flooding. (Also, some ripple-like formations in this darkened terrain look as much like dunes as they look like liquid-flow ripples. Brings to question how much of the time this terrain really spends submerged.) In addition to the question of whether the entire region is submerged, I'm fascinated by the flecks in the liquid surface in the upper portion of the image. They seem to be more concentrated closer to the shorelines. Are these blocks of ice floating on the liquid? Would the local ices even float in this liquid? Or could these flecks actually represent wave action on the surface of the liquid? Think of it -- waves on the lakes of Titan... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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AlexBlackwell T25 (February 21-22, 2007) Feb 16 2007, 02:20 AM
remcook from the brief description of the SAR observation ... Feb 16 2007, 12:01 PM
Juramike How much of an elevation difference will the diffe... Feb 16 2007, 03:29 PM
Olvegg According to abstract "First stereoscopic rad... Feb 16 2007, 06:23 PM
Juramike 600 m! Wow! Not much of a beach for surf... Feb 16 2007, 07:42 PM
edstrick I would expect to mostly see visibility of feature... Feb 17 2007, 10:02 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Feb 15 2007, 04:20... Feb 20 2007, 11:42 PM
alan QUOTE ISS: New Territory! The area north of Be... Feb 21 2007, 01:45 PM
ugordan Cool! So we can expect an updated Titan map ar... Feb 21 2007, 01:56 PM
MarcF They will try to extend the SAR observations to ha... Feb 21 2007, 03:15 PM
ugordan IIRC, someone recently mentioned the last attempt ... Feb 21 2007, 03:30 PM
volcanopele The T12 HiSAR pass didn't pan out, that's ... Feb 21 2007, 05:43 PM
volcanopele For more information on this flyby and other event... Feb 21 2007, 09:32 PM
Decepticon Nice! Feb 22 2007, 09:50 AM
alan first images are up
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/mul... Feb 23 2007, 06:39 PM
JRehling Hey, there's Belet!
The first thing I see... Feb 23 2007, 07:15 PM
remcook some structure in the northern haze/cloud(?):
http... Feb 24 2007, 11:48 AM
nprev QUOTE (remcook @ Feb 24 2007, 03:48 AM) s... Feb 24 2007, 06:12 PM
Stu QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 24 2007, 06:12 PM) May... Feb 24 2007, 11:01 PM
nprev ...curses! Stu has discovered my evil plan... Feb 25 2007, 12:28 AM
ugordan Of all the moons and planets, only Titan has a den... Feb 25 2007, 01:42 AM
JRehling Titan, Venus, and Uranus are all in the "Go h... Feb 25 2007, 02:16 AM
alan A quick stitch of the new territory
Feb 25 2007, 03:46 AM
Phil Stooke Here's my version of the Titan clouds.
Phil
Feb 25 2007, 05:20 PM
nprev Nice, Phil! All it's missing are a couple ... Feb 25 2007, 05:42 PM
Exploitcorporations First attempts at playing with Titan jpegs. Ouch:
... Feb 26 2007, 09:29 PM
dilo Nice work, Orion! Feb 26 2007, 10:23 PM
belleraphon1 All...
note this CASSINI raw image....... there ... Feb 27 2007, 01:09 AM
Exploitcorporations Wow. Anyone more skilled at cartography might be a... Feb 27 2007, 03:49 AM
JRehling QUOTE (Exploitcorporations @ Feb 26 2007, 07... Feb 27 2007, 04:44 AM
Phil Stooke A first look at this problem suggests there is a p... Feb 27 2007, 04:36 AM
Exploitcorporations I finished this composite just before I read your ... Feb 27 2007, 06:02 AM
Exploitcorporations Using Phil Stooke's rough polar projection(and... Feb 27 2007, 07:18 AM
Decepticon WOW! Feb 27 2007, 08:11 AM
MarcF Really interesting !
This could be a good cand... Feb 27 2007, 10:38 AM
edstrick Looking at Exploit's views of the pole and ass... Feb 27 2007, 10:52 AM
Exploitcorporations I have the impression that the filter at this wave... Feb 27 2007, 11:07 AM
ugordan The image belleraphon1 originally linked to was ta... Feb 27 2007, 11:37 AM
remcook ed - you mean the polar cloud vims imaged?
( http:... Feb 27 2007, 11:42 AM
belleraphon1 All...
I posted the original notice regarding th... Feb 27 2007, 12:22 PM
remcook my guess is that you see it in images like these:
... Feb 27 2007, 12:34 PM
ugordan I'm not sure that's the cloud VIMS detecte... Feb 27 2007, 12:41 PM
remcook exactly!
edit - that would explain why it is... Feb 27 2007, 12:44 PM
remcook had another quick browse: does anyone else find th... Feb 27 2007, 01:13 PM
ugordan Titan is has a darker band that shifts as the seas... Feb 27 2007, 01:19 PM
remcook sorry about that
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multi... Feb 27 2007, 01:30 PM
AlexBlackwell PIA09180: Titan: Larger and Larger Lakes Feb 27 2007, 07:32 PM
hendric QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Feb 27 2007, 01:32... Feb 27 2007, 08:09 PM
MarcF Great !
I have the feeling hat the resolution ... Feb 27 2007, 07:43 PM
remcook and look at the beautiful rivers! Rivers on a ... Feb 27 2007, 07:50 PM
ugordan Looking at the new RADAR image and then coming bac... Feb 27 2007, 07:59 PM
Exploitcorporations That's a staggering image, and fortuitously fr... Feb 27 2007, 08:06 PM
ugordan Does anyone know if the SAR swath crossed the sunl... Feb 27 2007, 08:09 PM
Olvegg Something like this? Not sure, however. Feb 27 2007, 08:13 PM
Phil Stooke Messing around with the new radar image...
Phil
Feb 27 2007, 08:15 PM
remcook also some fun (my imagination is running away with... Feb 27 2007, 08:32 PM
Olvegg Ethane Claciers? Why not? Feb 27 2007, 08:39 PM
belleraphon1 QUOTE (Olvegg @ Feb 27 2007, 03:39 PM) Et... Feb 27 2007, 10:52 PM
volcanopele Giant Lake on Titan:
http://ciclops.org/view.php?... Feb 27 2007, 08:52 PM
ugordan VP, nice to see such a swift release. You could ha... Feb 27 2007, 09:03 PM

volcanopele QUOTE (ugordan @ Feb 27 2007, 02:03 PM) V... Feb 27 2007, 09:13 PM
belleraphon1 QUOTE (volcanopele @ Feb 27 2007, 03:52 P... Feb 27 2007, 10:45 PM
stevesliva I was thinking liquid on top of solid:
If course,... Feb 27 2007, 08:54 PM
Mongo Eh, there's no satisfying some people. In ... Feb 27 2007, 09:10 PM
Matt That is an incredible image. It also looks sharper... Feb 27 2007, 10:55 PM
belleraphon1 Being way old enough to remember the Voyager 1 Tit... Feb 27 2007, 11:06 PM
Olvegg Here it is! Feb 27 2007, 11:06 PM
Floyd Olvegg, is their a chance you could put in the pro... Feb 28 2007, 03:18 PM
Olvegg QUOTE (Floyd @ Feb 28 2007, 06:18 PM) Olv... Feb 28 2007, 05:38 PM
ustrax The details are just incredible!... Feb 28 2007, 05:45 PM
Olvegg Unfortunately, it mismathes Phil Stooke's proj... Feb 27 2007, 11:12 PM
Exploitcorporations QUOTE (Olvegg @ Feb 27 2007, 03:12 PM) Un... Feb 28 2007, 03:02 AM
Olvegg QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Feb 28 2007, 01:52 ... Feb 27 2007, 11:31 PM
Mongo I have a question about terminology. This new bod... Feb 28 2007, 12:07 AM
belleraphon1 QUOTE (Mongo @ Feb 27 2007, 07:07 PM) I h... Feb 28 2007, 12:24 AM
volcanopele This lake/sea would likely be filed under Lacus, r... Feb 28 2007, 12:45 AM
Mongo QUOTE (volcanopele @ Feb 28 2007, 12:45 A... Feb 28 2007, 02:30 PM
David QUOTE (Mongo @ Feb 28 2007, 02:30 PM) In ... Feb 28 2007, 03:07 PM
Floyd Great job with the images Olvegg. So much for Nor... Feb 28 2007, 02:42 AM
Airbag I just attended a talk (at the Amateur Astronomers... Feb 28 2007, 04:00 AM
claurel QUOTE (Airbag @ Feb 27 2007, 08:00 PM) I ... Feb 28 2007, 04:17 AM

Airbag QUOTE (claurel @ Feb 27 2007, 11:17 PM) T... Feb 28 2007, 04:40 AM
mars loon QUOTE (Airbag @ Feb 28 2007, 04:00 AM) I ... Mar 3 2007, 09:55 PM
nprev Interesting indeed, Airbag!
Did he happen to... Feb 28 2007, 04:05 AM
Airbag QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 27 2007, 11:05 PM) Did... Feb 28 2007, 04:19 AM
ngunn Was there not a time during the last Ice Age when ... Feb 28 2007, 03:35 PM
Mongo QUOTE (ngunn @ Feb 28 2007, 03:35 PM) Was... Feb 28 2007, 03:43 PM
David QUOTE (Mongo @ Feb 28 2007, 03:43 PM) The... Feb 28 2007, 06:36 PM
Mongo Given the ratio between Earth's and Titan... Feb 28 2007, 03:38 PM
ngunn That would do nicely. Feb 28 2007, 04:48 PM
Webscientist I agree with dvandorn,
In this first radar image, ... Mar 1 2007, 08:33 AM
ngunn Actually it's possible to follow the main sinu... Mar 1 2007, 12:19 PM
volcanopele Western Quivira in SAR:
http://photojournal.jpl.n... Mar 2 2007, 12:34 AM
JRehling QUOTE (volcanopele @ Mar 1 2007, 04:34 PM... Mar 2 2007, 01:16 AM
ustrax While we delight ourselves with Cassini fly-bys th... Mar 2 2007, 09:42 AM
ugordan Carolyn Porco at CICLOPS hinted at more good stuff... Mar 2 2007, 10:20 AM
Webscientist Stiil waiting for the full radar strip of the T25 ... Mar 9 2007, 03:50 PM
remcook temperature where? on the surface? I don't exp... Mar 9 2007, 04:25 PM
Ant103 I don't know where put this...
Here is a color... Mar 9 2007, 06:59 PM![]() ![]() |
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