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Nature of Victoria's dark streaks, swept clean, deposited, or other? |
Apr 3 2007, 05:12 PM
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Now that we're finally about to do a detailed inspection of the darkest of the dark streaks emanating from the north-northeast portion of the crater rim, it's time for final speculations before we know the truth of the matter.
I'm in the clean-sweep camp. The large-scale orbital observations make these streaks appear almost definitely of aeolian origin -- the manner in which the streaks feather along the edges, and the way in which they curve off as they extend out from the crater, are all consistent with wind/ground interactions. Observations of the lighter, western streak seem to show more visible concretions right up on the surface. If this holds true of the darker streak, I think that proves the clean-sweep theory. Think of it this way -- if you packed pebbles and dry dust as a pavement and then let the wind strip away at this surface, the dust would blow off and the pebbles would remain. What dust remained would sit in the lee of the pebbles. This seems to be exactly what we're seeing in the first dark streak -- the lighter soil component has been blown away entirely, and the darker component (probably eroded concretion material) has been mostly blown away but its remnants sit in the lee of the concretions. I would expect that any depositional streak would appear as dust or fine-grained soils which cover over the materials we see on the surface outside of the streaks. That's *not* what we're seeing. In addition, I'd have to treat any suggestion that the blueberries themselves are being blown out of the crater to form the streaks with an awful lot of skepticism. Martian winds aren't strong enough to move the relatively large-and-heavy concretions along level ground -- it would be absolutely impossible for these thin-air winds to have blown them entirely out of the crater and up to a crater diameter's distance away. Now, if the MIs in the darker streak show that dark dust is consistently filleted on the upwind side of the concretions, and shadowed with less dust downwind of the concretions, *that* would be an indication that the streaks are depositional. But, so far, that's not what we're seeing. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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dvandorn Nature of Victoria's dark streaks Apr 3 2007, 05:12 PM
BrianL Ooh, I love adding my completely geologically untr... Apr 3 2007, 06:20 PM
Shaka I certainly hope the plan codes show an MI sequenc... Apr 3 2007, 07:23 PM
imipak QUOTE (BrianL @ Apr 3 2007, 07:20 PM) Ooh... Apr 3 2007, 08:02 PM
ElkGroveDan This one's a no-brainer. The dark streaks are... Apr 3 2007, 08:07 PM
Juramike QUOTE (dvandorn @ Apr 3 2007, 01:12 PM) I... Apr 3 2007, 08:35 PM
helvick QUOTE What do you think is particularly special ab... Apr 3 2007, 09:03 PM
fredk QUOTE (helvick @ Apr 3 2007, 09:03 PM) Li... Apr 3 2007, 09:47 PM
Juramike I'll buy that.
So...the faster windspeeds are... Apr 3 2007, 09:18 PM
fredk I've been leaning into the dark deposit camp. ... Apr 3 2007, 09:30 PM
helvick I think it can be argued either way. _If_ cleaning... Apr 3 2007, 09:56 PM
fredk There was the dark dust piled up beside rocks on t... Apr 3 2007, 10:05 PM
MarsIsImportant I don't buy it completely, because of the prep... Apr 3 2007, 10:08 PM
Juramike Hmmm. Both very good hypotheses. There's no ... Apr 3 2007, 10:14 PM
Edward Schmitz - There IS dark matterial at the base of the cliff... Apr 3 2007, 10:27 PM
Shaka I've searched in vain for a nice clear discuss... Apr 3 2007, 10:36 PM
atomoid Since the dark streaks only seem to be emanating f... Apr 4 2007, 01:08 AM
Shaka QUOTE (atomoid @ Apr 3 2007, 03:08 PM) Si... Apr 4 2007, 02:21 AM
fredk QUOTE (Shaka @ Apr 4 2007, 02:21 AM) Why ... Apr 4 2007, 03:13 AM
MarsIsImportant Notice how the whole area north and east of Victor... Apr 4 2007, 03:31 AM
CosmicRocker The fun thing about this discussion is that I thin... Apr 4 2007, 05:27 AM
MarsIsImportant QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Apr 4 2007, 12:27 A... Apr 4 2007, 01:06 PM
antoniseb I'm in the deposit camp (as opposed to clean s... Apr 4 2007, 02:24 PM
Juramike I agree with both Antoniseb and MarsIsImportant. ... Apr 4 2007, 03:01 PM
MarsIsImportant Impact deposit could very well be part of the expl... Apr 4 2007, 02:46 PM
fredk QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Apr 4 2007, 02:4... Apr 4 2007, 05:59 PM
CosmicRocker MII: You really can't compare the rippled pla... Apr 4 2007, 02:50 PM
MarsIsImportant QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Apr 4 2007, 09:50 A... Apr 4 2007, 03:07 PM
fredk Antoniseb makes a good point. I've thought th... Apr 4 2007, 05:37 PM
MarsIsImportant Well then, my first guess was correct. The specks... Apr 4 2007, 06:12 PM
MarsIsImportant Well, the color of the depositional dust would dep... Apr 4 2007, 06:56 PM
MarsIsImportant Does anybody know what day this image was taken? ... Apr 4 2007, 09:37 PM
fredk As I just posted, that's 1135, between streaks... Apr 4 2007, 09:53 PM
MarsIsImportant QUOTE (fredk @ Apr 4 2007, 04:53 PM) As I... Apr 4 2007, 11:35 PM
atomoid Ever notice how the only area in Victoria with the... Apr 4 2007, 10:05 PM
MarsIsImportant QUOTE (atomoid @ Apr 4 2007, 05:05 PM) Ev... Apr 4 2007, 11:30 PM
Steve I just wonder if a CRISM image wouldn't tell u... Apr 5 2007, 01:29 AM
Jeff7 Put me in the deposit camp. El Dorado was also a d... Apr 5 2007, 03:10 AM
fredk Just a reminder to people (like myself!) who t... Apr 5 2007, 05:08 AM
atomoid QUOTE (fredk @ Apr 4 2007, 09:08 PM) Just... Apr 5 2007, 11:36 PM
CosmicRocker That's interesting, isn't it? I've pl... Apr 5 2007, 06:57 AM
Edward Schmitz It doesn't strike me as possible to have such ... Apr 5 2007, 04:41 PM
CosmicRocker I should apologize up front for posting a montage ... Apr 5 2007, 07:18 PM
Shaka That's a nice start at organizing the data for... Apr 5 2007, 07:31 PM
fredk Thanks for the post, Rocker. I think it's ver... Apr 5 2007, 07:35 PM
CosmicRocker That's right, guys. I wasn't trying to sa... Apr 5 2007, 08:14 PM
MarsIsImportant QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Apr 5 2007, 03:14 P... Apr 5 2007, 09:42 PM
fredk That image I posted was straight from this MOC ima... Apr 6 2007, 12:23 AM
CosmicRocker That's interesting, fredk. If I had looked at... Apr 6 2007, 07:11 AM
fredk To add one more layer of complexity, here's an... Apr 6 2007, 04:28 PM
fredk Welcome to the Darkness!
Compare tosol... Apr 6 2007, 04:45 PM
MarsIsImportant QUOTE (fredk @ Apr 6 2007, 11:45 AM) Welc... Apr 6 2007, 04:58 PM
Juramike Thank you very much Cosmic Rocker! That monta... Apr 6 2007, 06:19 PM
Edward Schmitz QUOTE (Juramike @ Apr 6 2007, 11:19 AM) L... Apr 6 2007, 08:10 PM
Juramike QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ Apr 6 2007, 04:10... Apr 6 2007, 08:28 PM
atomoid QUOTE (Juramike @ Apr 6 2007, 12:28 PM) W... Apr 7 2007, 12:02 AM
Stu (a hand goes up hesitatantly at the back of the cl... Apr 6 2007, 06:41 PM
Juramike [Lecturer's eyes glaze over, turns and stares... Apr 6 2007, 07:30 PM
Juramike Here is what might be a sequence of events leading... Apr 6 2007, 07:48 PM
fredk While we wait for MIs, here are two hazcam views, ... Apr 7 2007, 03:25 AM
antoniseb QUOTE (fredk @ Apr 6 2007, 09:25 PM) On s... Apr 7 2007, 10:50 AM
BrianL QUOTE (antoniseb @ Apr 7 2007, 04:50 AM) ... Apr 7 2007, 06:00 PM
CosmicRocker It's tough, fredk. The hazcams, navcams, and ... Apr 7 2007, 07:03 AM
Juramike It looks like the blueberry count is approximately... Apr 7 2007, 07:25 PM
CosmicRocker BrianL: Yeah, I think the berries are mostly ligh... Apr 8 2007, 04:05 AM
fredk QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Apr 8 2007, 04:05 A... Apr 8 2007, 10:33 PM
Stu Just to clarify my own thoughts here...
What I th... Apr 8 2007, 09:53 AM
fredk Dark streak MIs are in: http://qt.exploratorium.ed... Apr 8 2007, 06:14 PM
Shaka QUOTE (fredk @ Apr 8 2007, 08:14 AM) It... Apr 8 2007, 06:35 PM
dvandorn Boy, it really is hard to tell from these two MIs,... Apr 8 2007, 06:40 PM
Shaka Hold onto your hat, Oppy, so it doesn't blow a... Apr 8 2007, 06:45 PM
Floyd I think it is deposition. Unlike most other MI (I ... Apr 8 2007, 06:49 PM
fredk Floyd scooped me, I was just about to post this im... Apr 8 2007, 07:07 PM
Shaka It's like this, guys, dusty surfaces scatter i... Apr 8 2007, 07:50 PM
fredk I don't think anyone can argue with the fact t... Apr 8 2007, 08:20 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (Shaka @ Apr 8 2007, 03:50 PM) Basi... Apr 9 2007, 03:41 PM
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CosmicRocker That's interesting, fredk. I meant to eventua... Apr 8 2007, 11:41 PM
fredk QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Apr 8 2007, 11:41 P... Apr 9 2007, 12:39 AM

centsworth_II QUOTE (fredk @ Apr 8 2007, 08:39 PM) I ha... Apr 9 2007, 04:00 PM
Edward Schmitz QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Apr 8 2007, 04:41 P... Apr 9 2007, 05:41 PM
Shaka The next best thing to a windsock is our trusty RA... Apr 8 2007, 11:50 PM
fredk QUOTE (Shaka @ Apr 8 2007, 11:50 PM) (Of ... Apr 9 2007, 12:49 AM
Floyd I agree with fredk--I think it is deposition and t... Apr 9 2007, 01:28 AM
CosmicRocker QUOTE (fredk @ Apr 8 2007, 07:39 PM) I ha... Apr 9 2007, 05:51 AM
Shaka In all fairness, Freddo, it was you who first anno... Apr 9 2007, 06:39 AM
Juramike "Dig we must." Apr 9 2007, 02:22 PM
fredk Does anyone know if El Dorado was thought to be de... Apr 9 2007, 05:28 PM
Shaka QUOTE (fredk @ Apr 9 2007, 07:28 AM) Does... Apr 9 2007, 07:54 PM
fredk QUOTE (Shaka @ Apr 9 2007, 07:54 PM) Both... Apr 9 2007, 11:19 PM
Floyd Seems like the 1139 berries are more deeply buried... Apr 9 2007, 06:26 PM
Juramike Assuming that the dark fine grains are burying the... Apr 9 2007, 06:50 PM
Juramike Here is a side by side comparison of two wheel ima... Apr 9 2007, 07:36 PM
Edward Schmitz QUOTE I'm still waiting to see a Pancam shot w... Apr 9 2007, 08:15 PM
Shaka QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ Apr 9 2007, 10:15... Apr 9 2007, 08:38 PM
WindyT QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ Apr 9 2007, 08:15... Apr 9 2007, 09:21 PM
Edward Schmitz Is it your assertion that because we haven't s... Apr 9 2007, 09:00 PM
Juramike I'm wondering about the composition of the dar... Apr 9 2007, 09:39 PM
fredk RE: Nature of Victoria's dark streaks Apr 9 2007, 11:34 PM
Shaka You guys trying to test my religious convictions?
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