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May 3 2007, 02:20 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6611557.stm
is reporting that Corot has found its first planet. I can't find an arxiv paper about this, or even a press release, but there are many here better at squirreling out data releases than me. 1.3Mj, 1.8Rj so it's a very inflated planet, 1.5-day orbit around a 'star quite similar to the Sun' might account for that. In the Monoceros field (Corot is now pointing at the Scutum/Aquila field). |
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Jul 26 2007, 10:16 PM
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Well, the negative side of the COROT survey is that the search is limited to closely orbiting transiting planets so we get a very biased sample. Which is far better than nothing, of course.
A microlensing planet survey equipped even with a relatively small telescope could find Earth-mass or smaller planets in any orbital distance (including free-floating terrestrial planets)! It could detect every planet of the Solar System except Mercury, which is not massive enough and orbits too close the Sun. The obvious downside is of course that the lensing events are unique and no physical properties of the planets can be studied. But it could give a good sample of planets around very different kinds of stars. -------------------- The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.
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Aug 21 2007, 07:04 PM
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Well, the negative side of the COROT survey is that the search is limited to closely orbiting transiting planets so we get a very biased sample. Which is far better than nothing, of course. Check my math in trying to characterize the bias. Given two similar planets orbiting two similar stars, but with one planet N times farther from its star than the other, the ratio of likelihood of detection in a short time frame should be N^2.5. That is, the probability of appropriate geometry for a transit is decreased by N for the farther planet, whereas the probability of a transit taking place at the right time is a function of the orbital period, which introduces another factor of N^1.5. For example, if Earth were orbiting at 5 AU, it would be precisely 1/5 as likely for its orbit to transit the Sun as seen from afar, and if it did, it would do so about 1/11th as often. So a factor of 5 in distance translates to a factor of 55 in transit observations. A factor of 10 in distance translates to a factor of 300 in transit observations. The temporal factor is mitigated as the observations continue. Given a mission lasting Y years, we'd get one observation of every transiting planet with a period <=Y, two observations of every transiting planet with a period <=Y/2, and a probability Y/X of one observation of every transiting planet with a period X longer than Y. The diameter of the planet is also a minor factor. Jupiter might graze the Sun's disk whereas a Pluto in the same location would just miss. As the planets get much smaller than the star, this factor almost vanishes. COROT will survey a few different areas, none for more than 150 days or so, so repeat detections will be strictly limited to planets in close-in orbits. Single detections of planets farther out will (presumably!) take place, and could help us get an idea of the distribution of planets in different-sized orbits. But at some point out there, the data will be too sparse to make predictions significant. So overall, I think it's going to be pretty sparing in telling us about the raw numbers of Venuses, Earths, and Neptunes. But a few data points would be a lot nicer than none. |
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Aug 28 2007, 04:46 AM
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COROT will survey a few different areas, none for more than 150 days or so, so repeat detections will be strictly limited to planets in close-in orbits. Single detections of planets farther out will (presumably!) take place, and could help us get an idea of the distribution of planets in different-sized orbits. But at some point out there, the data will be too sparse to make predictions significant. While I understand that there are two target regions between which COROT will alternate every six months, I hadn't realized they were planning to observe new locations within those region each time the spacecraft came back to them. I can imagine that at some point (maybe in an extended mission) they might decide to return to a spot previously observed in an attempt to observe repeat events caused by planets with longer orbits. I guess it all depends on what sort of data they observe in the first few observational runs. If they find a number of great Earth-sized candidates in one region, I should have thought they would be tempted to return to it the next year. |
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Tom Womack COROT planets May 3 2007, 02:20 PM
ustrax Here's ESA's release. May 3 2007, 04:53 PM
Sunspot And according to this New Scientist article COROT ... May 3 2007, 04:54 PM
AlexBlackwell Emily has a new blog entry. Also, I'm not sur... May 3 2007, 06:38 PM
Rakhir And the CNES release (in French).
http://www.cnes.... May 3 2007, 09:11 PM
stevesliva I've been wondering, is there any reason to th... May 3 2007, 10:05 PM
Tom Womack QUOTE (stevesliva @ May 3 2007, 11:05 PM)... May 4 2007, 10:58 AM
Greg Hullender Steve: The Kepler guys figure about 1/2 percent of... May 4 2007, 07:32 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ May 4 2007, 03:32... May 7 2007, 11:07 PM
Jyril 10% claim should be true in the case of hot Jupite... May 5 2007, 12:08 AM
Olvegg 0.5% is for Earth-like orbits around Sun-like star... May 5 2007, 10:08 AM
Greg Hullender Steve: What is more interesting about the 0.5% num... May 9 2007, 03:04 AM
Mongo QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ May 9 2007, 03:04... May 9 2007, 01:28 PM
edstrick The fundamental purpose of missions like Corot and... May 9 2007, 08:27 AM
Greg Hullender Mongo: You're correct, if "distance of th... May 9 2007, 11:44 PM
ustrax "...eclipses that can be detected are “shallo... May 14 2007, 09:53 AM
Jyril According to the SpacEUROPE blog COROT's sensi... May 14 2007, 04:38 PM
Del Palmer QUOTE (Jyril @ May 14 2007, 05:38 PM) Acc... Jul 26 2007, 02:33 AM
tacitus Anyone know when the COROT guys are going to make ... Jul 25 2007, 05:16 PM
Rakhir A small update was posted yesterday on the CNES we... Jul 25 2007, 08:26 PM
tacitus QUOTE (Rakhir @ Jul 25 2007, 03:26 PM) A ... Jul 26 2007, 02:47 AM

nprev QUOTE (tacitus @ Jul 25 2007, 07:47 PM) N... Jul 26 2007, 03:48 AM
ustrax QUOTE (Rakhir @ Jul 25 2007, 09:26 PM) A ... Jul 26 2007, 09:10 AM
nprev Man...I'm trying to contain irrational exubera... Jul 26 2007, 09:37 PM
remcook I'm wondering...what would be required for suc... Jul 27 2007, 09:19 AM
cndwrld This isn't related to Corot, but it may be of ... Jul 27 2007, 11:14 AM
belleraphon1 All planet lovers
COROT update may be coming nex... Aug 16 2007, 04:34 PM
djellison http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00001089/
T... Aug 20 2007, 09:28 AM
belleraphon1 Thanks Doug!!
I suspect they are going to... Aug 20 2007, 11:31 AM
djellison I think they just want to be 100% sure on REALLY i... Aug 20 2007, 01:51 PM
belleraphon1 Yes, they certainly need to be prudent.
What I a... Aug 20 2007, 03:53 PM
nprev Yeah...to quote Carl, "Extraordinary claims r... Aug 21 2007, 03:37 AM
Greg Hullender I get the same result, JR.
A good question woul... Aug 22 2007, 03:26 PM
nprev Just out of curiosity, would the habitable zone of... Aug 22 2007, 03:59 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 22 2007, 11:59 AM) Jus... Aug 22 2007, 05:38 PM
Greg Hullender Tidal locking time is an interesting problem.
htt... Aug 22 2007, 07:42 PM
belleraphon1 QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Aug 22 2007, 03:4... Aug 23 2007, 12:46 AM

stevesliva QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Aug 22 2007, 08:46 ... Aug 23 2007, 01:49 AM


belleraphon1 QUOTE (stevesliva @ Aug 22 2007, 09:49 PM... Aug 23 2007, 12:44 PM


tty QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Aug 23 2007, 02:44 ... Aug 25 2007, 07:30 PM

JRehling QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Aug 22 2007, 05:46 ... Aug 24 2007, 08:53 PM
nprev QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Aug 22 2007, 12:4... Aug 23 2007, 12:45 PM
Greg Hullender Remember that there's enough fudge in these nu... Aug 23 2007, 06:03 AM
Greg Hullender It seems that at least four factors help here: As ... Aug 23 2007, 03:53 PM
PhilCo126 In which parts of the Electromagnetic spectrum are... Aug 31 2007, 06:51 PM
GravityWaves QUOTE (PhilCo126 @ Aug 31 2007, 03:51 PM)... Sep 1 2007, 12:17 PM
ustrax Malcolm Fridlund just told me that the number of e... Oct 2 2007, 10:53 AM
Juramike QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 24 2007, 04:53 PM) ... Aug 31 2007, 08:05 PM
belleraphon1 Thanks ustrax!!!!!
Can hardly... Oct 2 2007, 01:31 PM
ustrax QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Oct 2 2007, 02:31 P... Oct 3 2007, 08:50 AM
belleraphon1 ustrax...
keep reporting....
I have the grap... Oct 3 2007, 12:18 PM
brellis Does anyone know when Epsilon Eridani b reaches it... Oct 18 2007, 04:19 AM

Del Palmer QUOTE (brellis @ Oct 18 2007, 05:19 AM) D... Oct 18 2007, 12:24 PM

brellis brellis asked: "when will Epsilon Eridani b h... Dec 8 2007, 03:16 AM

brellis found it
http://www.stsci.edu/hst/scheduling/w... Dec 8 2007, 03:20 AM

Phillip Is December 10 still the day scheduled for the big... Dec 10 2007, 01:09 PM
ustrax QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Oct 3 2007, 01:18 P... Oct 18 2007, 04:22 PM
belleraphon1 QUOTE (ustrax @ Oct 18 2007, 12:22 PM) Go... Oct 18 2007, 06:58 PM
nprev Hoo boy...this could be a demarcation between one ... Oct 4 2007, 02:15 AM
nprev Agreed, Rui...overall excellence for your blog, yo... Oct 19 2007, 03:52 AM
ustrax QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 19 2007, 04:52 AM) Agr... Oct 19 2007, 08:10 AM
TheChemist IMO they are debating where to draw the line that ... Oct 19 2007, 11:53 AM
ustrax The COROT announcement has been delayed...
Hold o... Oct 29 2007, 10:05 AM
belleraphon1 All...
more hints from the COROT team.... ... Nov 5 2007, 04:17 PM
ustrax Danke Craig! Nov 5 2007, 05:48 PM
belleraphon1 And thanks right back at cha!!!!... Nov 5 2007, 07:41 PM
ustrax You're welcome...
Three more...this is gett... Nov 6 2007, 11:35 AM
OWW boring? never. BTW:
http://www.space.com/sciencea... Nov 6 2007, 08:01 PM
ustrax QUOTE (OWW @ Nov 6 2007, 08:01 PM) boring... Nov 7 2007, 04:21 PM
belleraphon1 QUOTE (ustrax @ Nov 7 2007, 12:21 PM) Par... Nov 8 2007, 03:48 AM

ustrax QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Nov 8 2007, 03:48 A... Nov 8 2007, 12:05 PM
Rakhir QUOTE (ustrax @ Nov 7 2007, 05:21 PM) Fri... Nov 10 2007, 07:19 AM
belleraphon1 Ustrax... just got back from your blog.
Nice int... Nov 8 2007, 12:28 PM
Jyril Apparently it wasn't.
And nope, nothing. The ... Dec 11 2007, 01:03 PM
Jyril The COROT science team had a meeting yesterday, bu... Dec 11 2007, 04:41 PM
ustrax This is being quite a rollercoaster not permitting... Dec 12 2007, 09:11 AM
PhilCo126 I'm preparing an article on COROT, looking for... Dec 12 2007, 10:52 AM
belleraphon1 Thanks Jyril and ustrax...
I think I am looking ... Dec 12 2007, 12:52 PM
NGC3314 QUOTE (belleraphon1 @ Dec 12 2007, 06:52 ... Dec 12 2007, 02:35 PM
belleraphon1 Good point NGC3314.
Ground based telescopes are ... Dec 12 2007, 05:24 PM
GravityWaves The Chief Scientist, has been awarded a French med... Dec 19 2007, 09:04 AM
ustrax Fridlund just informed from the time of the confer... Dec 20 2007, 09:14 AM
Phillip December 20 = just in time for a nicely wrapped, l... Dec 12 2007, 11:30 PM
Jyril CoRoT-Exo-2b, a run of the mill transiting hot Jup... Dec 20 2007, 12:05 PM
ustrax Information released here.
EDITED: Jyril...looks ... Dec 20 2007, 12:11 PM
belleraphon1 From the press release:
"On 10 December 2007... Dec 20 2007, 12:37 PM
djellison "COROT surprises a year after launch"
T... Dec 20 2007, 12:41 PM
ustrax full inline quote removed - did that surprise you ... Dec 20 2007, 12:49 PM
djellison I'm not playing down COROT...it's great - ... Dec 20 2007, 01:07 PM
ustrax OK...maybe surprise is not the right word...
I had... Dec 20 2007, 02:28 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (ustrax @ Dec 20 2007, 09:28 AM) OK... Dec 20 2007, 04:19 PM
Jyril Only 40? Based on other transiting surveys, most c... Dec 20 2007, 05:20 PM
ustrax QUOTE (Jyril @ Dec 20 2007, 05:20 PM) Onl... Dec 21 2007, 10:23 AM
JRehling Not to be too big of a spoiler, but it's not c... Dec 21 2007, 06:01 PM
climber They said on the radio (France Inter) that they de... Dec 20 2007, 06:59 PM
nprev By star vibrations, do you mean astroseismological... Dec 20 2007, 07:14 PM
tacitus I was also looking forward to a big announcement. ... Dec 21 2007, 12:32 AM![]() ![]() |
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