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May 7 2007, 03:53 PM
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I’ve put together a sequence of events that could explain the morphology of the Equatorial Sand Seas. (An example basin similar to Shangri-La is shown)
This could explain the ria-like topography [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ria] on the Eastern shore, as well as the VIMS dark blue western parts of the Sand seas, and the placement of the dark brown unit on the Eastern parts of the sand seas. 1. Basin formation. 2. Water-ice sand deposition [slowly, suddenly?] forms an ice-sand margin 3. Mobile dark brown dune sands deposit on E side, depositing inland up W facing valleys. :attachment] The dark brown sands will blow in following the predominantly W winds and make a dust coating on low-lying terrains on the eastern margins. This will be visible by VIMS and ISS as the dark-bright margin, placed “inland” from the "real margin" and will accentuate the local topography as seen by optical instruments. This accentuation on the E margin will make the Equatorial Sand Sea visible margin look “swoopy” and windblown (in effect, it is) from the dark basin. Similarly, the W margin will have a dark blue zone that appears blown from the western bright areas. On the Eastern shore, the RADAR images will place the smooth-dark/mottled gray boundary far to the W of the VIMS brown dark-bright margin. (RADAR should be able to penetrate a thin coating of dark sands). The features in the limbo zone have been covered by dark sands, perhaps not enough to form dune structures, but enough to cover up the ice-sand margin, the near shore terrain, and perhaps even some of the underlying bright terrain. This makes the deposition sequence in the Equatorial Sand Seas: 1: Basin formation 2. Major water ice sand emplacement 3. Dune sands cover up low-lying downwind valleys (enough to mask visible imagery) Other Equatorial Sand Sea basins should look very similar around Titan: Shangri-La, Belet, Senkyo, Fensal and Quivra. Local winds may play a bonus role, but the overall trend of dark sand deposition up valley should be towards the E. For example: the false-color image in Figure 6 of the Soderblom paper seems to imply a predominant wind vector in Fensal and Quivra to the ESE. [I’m pretty sure all this has been described in pieces before, but it gave me a really great excuse to play with PowerPoint. -Mike -------------------- Some higher resolution images available at my photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/
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Jun 21 2007, 04:04 PM
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Ganymede et.al. Undoubtedly we can look to the Galileans and other moons of Saturn for guides to Titan's likely bulk composition. Also, large impacts might be expected to produce comparable surface features. However I think it's worth reviewing the actual and potential differences. In the first place neither the ISS albedo patterns nor the topography revealed by radar on Titan remotely resemble any other body. Secondly it is reasonable to expect that the the geology of Titan will reflect the fact that volatiles brought to the surface are not immediately vented into space. The geology of most the Saturnian moons should be very, very similar. Geologically, they are all brothers and brought up in the same house (Saturn orbit). The big differences with Titan compared to the other Saturn moons are with regard to impactors are: it has weather and floods (erosion will erase many of the features) it's bigger: tectonic activity? cryovolanic activity? (might erase many of the features) it's bigger (compositional makeup, depth of lithosphere) it has an atmosphere (small impactors burn up, a big impactor should not be affected, but venting might be suppressed [very good point, ngunn]) it has organics on the surface (but this might not be enough to make a difference) it's bigger: faster impactor speed??? The first two factors could help explain why there are so few obvious impact craters (they get wiped), and may explain their different form compared to other moons. IIRC (but I can't remember the source), the impact features of Saturnian moons (other than Titan) seem to resemble the impact features of terrestrial planets more than those of Galilean satellites. The Galilean satellites seem to be sorta "oddball" (compositional differences of target material? lithosphere differences? impactor differences?). So we would predict that without erosion, Titan craters should look like other Saturn moon craters/terrestrial craters with a possible trend to Galilean craters. (The trend being due viscous relaxation of icy surfaces on larger bodies). Ganymede et.al. On Earth the recycling of water lubricates plate tectonics. We have no idea what analogous processes may operate on Titan. Thus we don't know even if ancient circles would remain circular - or even remain at all. More data required! I don't think ancient circles remain circular at all....(I think some of this data might already exist)... -Mike -------------------- Some higher resolution images available at my photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/
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Juramike Titan's Equatorial Sand Seas May 7 2007, 03:53 PM
Juramike I’ve put together another hypothetical series of e... May 8 2007, 11:44 PM
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ngunn Just in case you're wondering Mike I'm fol... May 9 2007, 02:39 PM
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Littlebit QUOTE (ngunn @ May 9 2007, 08:39 AM) Just... May 9 2007, 05:55 PM
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rlorenz QUOTE (Juramike @ May 11 2007, 03:34 PM) ... May 12 2007, 03:40 PM
ngunn [quote name='rlorenz' date='May 12 200... May 12 2007, 08:01 PM
Juramike Here are some images and locations where dunes hav... May 11 2007, 09:46 PM
lyford Thanks for all the awesomeness, Juramike May 12 2007, 03:10 AM
ngunn Mike, in your first illustration in post 11 (for e... May 12 2007, 07:35 PM
Matt I stumbled a publication (PDF) entitled: 'Com... May 13 2007, 09:23 PM
Matt I stumbled upon a publication, rather. May 13 2007, 09:28 PM
Mongo ^link?
Bill May 13 2007, 10:28 PM
Matt http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2007/pdf/2222... May 13 2007, 11:00 PM
Juramike I’ve put together a hypothetical sequence that cou... May 14 2007, 03:00 PM
Exploitcorporations This seems like as good a place as any to deposit ... May 14 2007, 06:30 PM
Juramike Wow! Thank you, Exploitcorporations!
(Lo... May 14 2007, 06:40 PM
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remcook simply...wow! amazing how sharp it is! May 14 2007, 07:06 PM
Juramike QUOTE (rlorenz @ May 12 2007, 11:40 AM) W... May 14 2007, 08:22 PM
volcanopele hmm, I suspect that the feature you thought was Ks... May 14 2007, 09:29 PM
Juramike Are there easy ways to discern between a cryovolca... May 14 2007, 09:40 PM
volcanopele Well, it would be nice if it erupted. That would ... May 14 2007, 09:56 PM
Juramike Hmmm. Actually, there might be a way to see a rec... May 17 2007, 06:43 PM
Exploitcorporations Here's another work in progress. This makeover... May 18 2007, 01:35 AM
Phil Stooke Very nice. I hope you will do more of these.
Phi... May 18 2007, 01:48 AM
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All your work is breathtaking... May 18 2007, 02:09 AM
Juramike Wow!! That is totally awesome!!... May 18 2007, 03:28 PM
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helvick Surely Titan's Saturn synchronous orbit would ... May 21 2007, 08:19 PM
Juramike QUOTE (helvick @ May 21 2007, 04:19 PM) S... May 21 2007, 08:34 PM
alan I remember reading a paper before Cassini reached ... May 22 2007, 01:04 AM
AlexBlackwell QUOTE (alan @ May 21 2007, 03:04 PM) I re... May 22 2007, 01:44 AM
Mongo If Titan had global oceans on its surface, its tid... May 22 2007, 01:42 AM
ngunn We have a beautiful example of a tidal channel her... May 22 2007, 09:28 AM
ngunn Menai Strait chart attached:
Note that this is q... May 22 2007, 12:17 PM
Juramike (I sooooo totally could not resist this...)
Furt... May 22 2007, 02:24 PM
ngunn If we are saying that the equatorial basins once c... May 22 2007, 04:33 PM
Juramike QUOTE (ngunn @ May 22 2007, 12:33 PM) If ... May 22 2007, 06:02 PM
David Are the sand basins really very far below the surr... May 22 2007, 07:10 PM
Juramike QUOTE (David @ May 22 2007, 03:10 PM) Are... May 23 2007, 02:28 PM
ngunn Another question, Mike. I'm looking at the ... May 23 2007, 02:53 PM
Littlebit Excellant theory, Mike. If the sand dunes are stil... May 23 2007, 03:16 PM
Juramike Ngunn, it fits pretty close.
I suspect that there... May 23 2007, 03:23 PM
ngunn I certainly find these ideas plausible - and now y... May 23 2007, 03:50 PM
alan Would the strength of these tides tides vary with ... May 24 2007, 01:00 AM
rlorenz QUOTE (alan @ May 23 2007, 09:00 PM) Woul... May 26 2007, 01:29 PM
Juramike QUOTE (rlorenz @ May 26 2007, 09:29 AM) A... Jun 4 2007, 04:31 PM
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ngunn QUOTE (Juramike @ Jun 4 2007, 05:31 PM) I... Jun 5 2007, 11:12 AM
Juramike QUOTE (ngunn @ Jun 5 2007, 07:12 AM) I... Jun 5 2007, 05:52 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Juramike @ Jun 5 2007, 06:52 PM) b... Jun 5 2007, 08:12 PM
Juramike QUOTE (ngunn @ Jun 5 2007, 04:12 PM) The ... Jun 5 2007, 09:10 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Juramike @ Jun 5 2007, 10:10 PM) H... Jun 6 2007, 10:07 AM
Juramike I used the published altimetry data to try and est... May 29 2007, 04:33 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Juramike @ May 29 2007, 09:33 AM) ... May 29 2007, 05:10 PM
Juramike I used the "ski tracks" feature in the T... May 29 2007, 06:18 PM
Stu Fascinating reading as always Juramike, thanks. Yo... May 29 2007, 06:45 PM
Juramike My WAG about the "dancing monkey" or ... May 29 2007, 07:17 PM
ngunn Well, one striking characteristic of the 'hood... Jun 5 2007, 06:07 PM
Juramike That's a really good point on the clean-lookin... Jun 5 2007, 07:46 PM
Juramike Following the calculations in the Sagan, Dermott, ... Jun 5 2007, 10:07 PM
Juramike Does anyone have an idea what the heck these are? ... Jun 5 2007, 10:18 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Juramike @ Jun 5 2007, 11:18 PM) D... Jun 6 2007, 02:47 PM
ngunn A further thought - two plausible eruption product... Jun 6 2007, 12:02 PM
Juramike Cryopumice is a very interesting concept. Those t... Jun 6 2007, 05:36 PM
volcanopele QUOTE (Juramike @ Jun 6 2007, 10:36 AM) W... Jun 6 2007, 06:35 PM
Juramike QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jun 6 2007, 02:35 PM... Jun 6 2007, 09:16 PM
volcanopele I think such a feature might have been seen in nor... Jun 6 2007, 09:47 PM
Juramike Cool-o! Was that by RADAR or VIMS?
Got coord... Jun 6 2007, 09:49 PM
volcanopele You know, ISS does take images of Titan too... ... Jun 6 2007, 10:20 PM
Juramike QUOTE (volcanopele @ Jun 6 2007, 06:20 PM... Jun 6 2007, 10:46 PM
Juramike Here is an image of the feature (multi-ring Minrva... Jun 6 2007, 10:57 PM
volcanopele Yeah, I just don't see how that is similar to ... Jun 6 2007, 11:21 PM
Juramike I was taking the analogy of it looking like it had... Jun 6 2007, 11:59 PM
volcanopele Now that feature in Aaru reminds me of Menrva, wit... Jun 7 2007, 12:11 AM
Juramike I've put together a list and maps of speculati... Jun 7 2007, 12:36 AM
volcanopele The problem is that most of those are oblong featu... Jun 7 2007, 12:56 AM
Juramike Yup. I think you're right. Most the features... Jun 7 2007, 01:07 AM
ngunn Where do you find the time, Mike???? Anyhow thanks... Jun 7 2007, 09:40 AM
Juramike QUOTE (ngunn @ Jun 7 2007, 05:40 AM) Wher... Jun 7 2007, 06:50 PM
Juramike Approximately 60% (30 out of 50) of the “circular/... Jun 14 2007, 02:49 PM
Juramike Here is a short list of possible suspects for the ... Jun 14 2007, 07:23 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Juramike @ Jun 14 2007, 08:23 PM) ... Jun 15 2007, 09:28 AM
Juramike QUOTE (ngunn @ Jun 15 2007, 05:28 AM) I h... Jun 15 2007, 06:24 PM
Juramike From the “circular features” EXCEL table above, I ... Jun 15 2007, 11:18 PM
Juramike I plotted the outer/inner diameter measurements of... Jun 20 2007, 01:57 AM
ngunn Juramike I salute your work, but sadly I doubt if ... Jun 20 2007, 09:42 PM
Juramike QUOTE (ngunn @ Jun 20 2007, 05:42 PM) Phi... Jun 21 2007, 03:15 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (Juramike @ Jun 21 2007, 10:15 AM) ... Jun 21 2007, 03:36 PM
ngunn Ganymede et.al.
Undoubtedly we can look to the Gal... Jun 20 2007, 10:02 PM![]() ![]() |
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