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CosmicRocker
post May 21 2007, 04:06 AM
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This isn't nuts...this is super nuts. We are on a supposed bee-line drive back to Duck Bay, and they stop for a long time at a bunch of curious and unusually colored rocks. No one is posting wild speculations, no one is posting insider information...nothing...

Why have the MER topics been so quiet lately?


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djellison
post May 21 2007, 07:26 AM
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Thought I should start a thread on this - Analyst sent me a PM a few weeks ago criticising my decision to limit political debate here and making the same comment he makes here - that without MER, UMSF would be dead. I thought it appropriate to share some statistics and explain that UMSF is not just MER, comment on the current level of activity and the decisions that possibly mould this activity.

In April there were 1966 posts. A small number maybe. Certainly smaller than the average of Nov 05 to Nov 06 (3-5,000). I've spoken to some other forum admins and they share the same pattern - long time period variation. We had a big peak after MRO arrived and Opportunity arrived at Victoria Crater. There will be one when Phoenix arrives.

Is UMSF getting quieter. Yes. Is that a bad thing? Well - from the admin perspective, no. Easier to mange! Trying to keep up with a forum of >4000 posts a month was too much. I've also seen a downturn in MER discussions in other places. The missions themselves have got quieter. We're not rushing to Victoria or climbing Husband hill. Personally, I'm not keeping up with MER as much or as well as I did a year ago - I just can't.

Does this mean I should have allowed political debate as Analyst tells me I should? No. I will not allow that to infect this place as it does others. You can see the damage it does there and even the overly heated debates that happened here. Want to discuss politics there are PLENTY of other places to do that. This is a small subject area, a small group of people, cliquey even. I'm not going to prostitute the focus and standards of UMSF just to make it busier. I've made some very difficult decisions regarding some members at UMSF in the past - and the only regret I've had with ANY of them, is that I didn't take the action more quickly (and yes - that includes Bruce).

Will UMSF be dead and burried once MER is gone? No. Not even slightly.

Comet Missions 458,000 topic views
Titan 337,000 topic views
Icy Moons 328,000 topic views
Past and Future 270,000 topic views
New Horizons 266,000 topic views

Cumulatively - those subjects have attracted 500,000 more views than Spirit. Add the tech-general and imagery section you're at the same level as Opportunity.

Of the 7.7 million topic views that have happened in the history of UMSF - less than half are within the scope of MER. Suggesting that UMSF would be dead if MER vanished tomorrow is simply not true. But if the admin team vanished tomorrow and a free-for-all followed, the political debate that Analyst wants in this place - UMSF would be dead within a month. Of the 1000+ members here, only 10 have any idea what it takes to run this place. Checking registrations, checking for spam, editing posts with bad quoting, taking big images out of posts and making them links, taking backups of the 400 MB SQL DB and the 2.5 gig of attachments.

Someone once asked here how much time I spent running this place, and jokingly - I said "Oh thousands" to which they replied that that was impossible. I've just done the maths. Since Jan 04 - I would say that I have spent about 3000 hours doing all the things I mentioned - and others ( such as getting ad's that mean UMSF is just about paying for itself ). And you know what - even with people telling me I'm doing it all wrong (and thankfully I get a lot more people telling me I'm doing it right as well) I do not begrudge a single second of it - not a single second. I don't think the admin team do either.

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- CosmicRocker   Quiet UMSF   May 21 2007, 04:06 AM
- - Analyst   This whole forum is very quiet for a couple of mon...   May 21 2007, 06:18 AM
|- - lyford   QUOTE (Analyst @ May 20 2007, 11:18 PM) T...   May 21 2007, 04:47 PM
- - djellison   Thought I should start a thread on this - Analyst ...   May 21 2007, 07:26 AM
- - Stu   First of all, well said Doug. The idea that UMSF w...   May 21 2007, 08:09 AM
- - mchan   I like UMSF the way it is. Minimal politics. It...   May 21 2007, 08:26 AM
- - ngunn   Doug, I'm delighted to hear that you have in m...   May 21 2007, 08:57 AM
|- - ustrax   I totally agree with the limits imposed to politic...   May 21 2007, 09:47 AM
|- - DFinfrock   QUOTE (ustrax @ May 21 2007, 09:47 AM) I ...   May 24 2007, 01:46 AM
- - nprev   Cool new things on the horizon, though. Dawn's...   May 21 2007, 11:22 AM
- - remcook   I agree with Doug et al. Remember the vast amounts...   May 21 2007, 01:53 PM
- - dvandorn   I'm someone who sees the world in political te...   May 21 2007, 02:26 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 21 2007, 03:26 PM) ...   May 21 2007, 03:30 PM
- - Nix   I have lately not been very occupied with the foru...   May 21 2007, 04:44 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (Nix @ May 21 2007, 05:44 PM) ...I...   May 21 2007, 04:59 PM
- - Nix   You make awesome photographs Ustrax! Nico   May 21 2007, 05:27 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (Nix @ May 21 2007, 06:27 PM) You m...   May 22 2007, 03:43 PM
- - CosmicRocker   Little did I expect my comment to end up in Commun...   May 22 2007, 04:24 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ May 21 2007, 09:24 ...   May 22 2007, 05:11 AM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ May 22 2007, 12:24 ...   May 22 2007, 02:55 PM
- - Thu   Quiet UMSF? No. Doug, I understand you and reall...   May 22 2007, 04:30 AM
- - Astro0   Thank you, thank you , thank you Doug and everyone...   May 23 2007, 12:37 AM
- - elakdawalla   That particular word in that particular blog entry...   May 24 2007, 02:46 AM
- - Exploitcorporations   I was wondering just when this connection would be...   May 24 2007, 05:28 AM
|- - ustrax   Yes...You ask, MRO provides! Ultreya is pas...   May 24 2007, 08:54 AM
- - gpurcell   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ May 21 2007, 04:06 ...   May 24 2007, 08:02 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (gpurcell @ May 24 2007, 09:02 PM) ...   May 24 2007, 09:29 PM
|- - gpurcell   QUOTE (djellison @ May 24 2007, 09:29 PM)...   May 24 2007, 09:31 PM
- - djellison   Technically, Feb 8th 2004 http://www.unmannedspace...   May 24 2007, 10:19 PM
- - Stu   As no-one seems to have spotted this yet I'll ...   May 24 2007, 10:21 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (Stu @ May 24 2007, 10:21 PM) As no...   May 24 2007, 10:34 PM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (David @ May 24 2007, 11:34 PM) Whi...   May 24 2007, 10:37 PM
- - nprev   Yeah, gonna start losing sleep about that now, Stu...   May 24 2007, 11:35 PM
- - dvandorn   Let's see, a number of points, here... QUOTE ...   May 25 2007, 07:00 AM
|- - ynyralmaen   QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 25 2007, 08:00 AM) ...   May 25 2007, 08:58 AM
|- - SFJCody   QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 25 2007, 08:00 AM) ...   May 26 2007, 10:59 AM
- - Patteroast   As an interested layperson, I don't have much ...   May 25 2007, 10:30 AM
- - cndwrld   Regarding the 'drought years', I still hav...   May 25 2007, 01:45 PM
- - mikeQ   Hello to all. Finally got around to registering a...   May 26 2007, 12:31 AM
- - Phil Stooke   It's not really that slow. MER has slowed dow...   May 26 2007, 04:47 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 26 2007, 04:47 P...   May 26 2007, 05:03 PM
- - PhilCo126   UMSF.com is fine as it is but this topic persuaded...   May 26 2007, 06:37 PM
- - Phil Stooke   David: "Wait?! How long? " Not for...   May 26 2007, 07:05 PM
- - remcook   now you're just teasing!   May 26 2007, 07:26 PM
- - nprev   Okay, Phil, now we're ALL on pins & needle...   May 26 2007, 08:11 PM
- - Phil Stooke   OK - Sasha Basilevsky said it was erotic. Phil   May 26 2007, 08:28 PM
|- - TheChemist   QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 26 2007, 11:28 P...   May 27 2007, 08:57 AM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (TheChemist @ May 27 2007, 09:57 AM...   May 27 2007, 07:01 PM
- - djellison   MER + HiRISE + Phil = Requirement for large format...   May 26 2007, 08:30 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Who said anything about MER and HiRISE? Phil   May 26 2007, 08:32 PM
- - nprev   Uh-huh. Well, can't tell now if I have too muc...   May 26 2007, 08:46 PM
- - Phil Stooke   So - why did anyone think UMSF needed MER to survi...   May 26 2007, 09:15 PM
- - nprev   This thread seems to be the Seinfeld of UMSF...   May 26 2007, 09:16 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (nprev @ May 26 2007, 01:16 PM) Thi...   May 26 2007, 11:27 PM
- - Phil Stooke   It's gold, nprev, gold! Phil   May 26 2007, 09:23 PM
- - nprev   Ba-doompa-doompa-doompa-doompa-doom-pa....doom, da...   May 27 2007, 12:18 AM
- - Phil Stooke   I've gotta get out more. Phil   May 27 2007, 02:03 AM
- - nprev   Boy, no lie: never realized what a lifeless wonder...   May 27 2007, 03:15 AM
- - mchan   Err, planetary body with 5 letters. Titan!   May 27 2007, 06:16 PM
- - Phil Stooke   Nice try - but no. Phil   May 27 2007, 06:58 PM
- - mchan   I know, but I was imagining a Weird Al Yankovic ve...   May 27 2007, 07:01 PM
- - nprev   O-ho! Yeah, would love to see something innova...   May 27 2007, 07:57 PM


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