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May 28 2007, 02:07 PM
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![]() The Poet Dude ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
I know we've had rather light-hearted discussions about this before, with most people agreeing that Oppy is likely to end her days inside or on the edge of Victoria Crater, simply because there's nothing else to investigate within reach, but has Steve S got it in his mind that Oppy will head off somewhere else after Victoria? This report could be read in a way that suggests that...
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May 30 2007, 01:54 PM
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I gotta say - those second two craters look damn interesting - and heading NE you get the feeling from the imagery that we'll be on Endurance terrain rather than Erebus terrain once you're at the Ellipse line heading ENE again.
And Ustrax - that's not the case you've been making - you've been saying Ithaca Ithaca Ithaca Ithaca. Not 'lets go to targets in the East and maybe, eventually, we might get to Ithaca'. Go and look carefully at the bottom of the HiRISE image for Victoria ( the larger one that also includes Endurnace ). It's something of a contrast to big 30k wide HRSC images with dotted lines on them Doug |
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May 30 2007, 03:12 PM
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I gotta say - those second two craters look damn interesting - and heading NE you get the feeling from the imagery that we'll be on Endurance terrain rather than Erebus terrain once you're at the Ellipse line heading ENE again. Don't they? I am *especially* interested in the one I designated C -- its basic form is that of a dimple, rather than a bowl. The light floor unit *might* be some simple dust fill, but as it is surrounded by a "crater" wall that appears convex rather than concave, I have a hard time believing that this is an impact structure, and if it's a sinkhole, the floor might represent a *much* lower evaporite unit than we've seen before. The dark source of the small dark fan *might* just be a dust trap that occasionally yields part of its trove back up to the winds -- but it might also be a piece of a darker, different type of material that's eroding into dark dust. Yes, Ithaca's ringwall remnants could be quite interesting -- but what are the odds that Ithaca was emplaced a *long* time before this part of Mars was repeatedly flooded, and has been altered so much that you'd have to spend a decade putting together it's story? Ithaca *might* give you some insight into what existed here before there was water -- the three craters I'm looking at, it seems to me, might offer a better chance at increasing our insight into what this part of Mars was like *while* there was water here. Is it just me, or does it seem like that would be perhaps a little more useful? -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Stu After Victoria... May 28 2007, 02:07 PM
Sunspot But isn't the nearest feature of any significa... May 28 2007, 02:30 PM
Oren Iishi [quote name='Sunspot' date='May 28 200... May 28 2007, 03:47 PM
ustrax "We're going to do a lot of good science,... May 28 2007, 02:35 PM
fredk It's hard to conclude much at all from those p... May 28 2007, 03:28 PM
ustrax QUOTE (fredk @ May 28 2007, 04:28 PM) Mor... May 28 2007, 03:58 PM
PhilHorzempa As prep work, it would be nice to see HiRISE image... May 28 2007, 03:35 PM
djellison Scientifically it could be. Two, three or more ye... May 28 2007, 05:03 PM
MarsIsImportant Ustrax, I believe the bottom image is a stretched ... May 28 2007, 05:07 PM
tuvas During the last HiRISE team meeting, I think it wa... May 28 2007, 05:18 PM
fredk Thanks, tuvas, for tossing some very tasty nuggets... May 28 2007, 06:31 PM
tuvas Oh, I have no doubt that before a target is chosen... May 28 2007, 06:47 PM
David It wasn't even possible to have a serious disc... May 28 2007, 09:37 PM
nprev Yes... ... amazing that there's now concern o... May 28 2007, 10:56 PM
CosmicRocker I was ready to say that Erebus is a valid future t... May 29 2007, 12:39 AM
Bill Harris Any future target will have to be down-section, aw... May 29 2007, 02:54 AM
dvandorn I think we should look at the entirety of Steve... May 29 2007, 07:30 AM
ustrax QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 29 2007, 08:30 AM) ... May 29 2007, 08:05 AM
ustrax I've been bothering SS with the Ithaca issue, ... May 29 2007, 03:47 PM
ustrax And the whole context:
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djellison The WHOLE context would show the distance between ... May 29 2007, 04:16 PM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2007, 05:16 PM)... May 29 2007, 04:51 PM
djellison QUOTE (ustrax @ May 29 2007, 05:51 PM) Yo... May 29 2007, 05:50 PM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2007, 06:50 PM)... May 30 2007, 10:01 AM
climber QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2007, 12:01 PM) Do... May 30 2007, 10:11 AM
djellison QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2007, 11:01 AM) bu... May 30 2007, 10:30 AM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 11:30 AM)... May 30 2007, 11:04 AM
Edward Schmitz QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 03:30 AM)... May 30 2007, 04:08 PM
djellison QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ May 30 2007, 05:0... May 30 2007, 04:13 PM
Stu As much as I love the romance of that idea, it doe... May 29 2007, 05:36 PM
babakm Here's a perspective view from the HRSCView ap... May 29 2007, 05:46 PM
alan Maybe someday the romantics will get their wish an... May 29 2007, 10:15 PM
fredk You guys want completely uncalled for, brazen spec... May 29 2007, 11:59 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (fredk @ May 29 2007, 03:59 PM) ...... May 30 2007, 12:28 AM
nprev QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ May 29 2007, 05:28 P... May 30 2007, 12:48 AM
gallen_53 QUOTE (nprev @ May 30 2007, 12:48 AM) I... May 30 2007, 04:19 AM
Stu Don't underestimate the value of "pretty ... May 30 2007, 07:36 AM
djellison BUT - there is a point at which there would be cri... May 30 2007, 07:42 AM
Stu QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 08:42 AM)... May 30 2007, 08:03 AM
climber I understand the wish of engeneers to see how the ... May 30 2007, 07:44 AM
zoost QUOTE (climber @ May 30 2007, 07:44 AM) C... May 30 2007, 08:07 AM
Edward Schmitz QUOTE (climber @ May 30 2007, 12:44 AM) .... May 30 2007, 03:59 PM
Toma B That is why we love MERs so much...there are both ... May 30 2007, 07:45 AM
djellison In the context of Opportunity - a trip to Ithaca w... May 30 2007, 08:06 AM
Stephen QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2007, 03:03 AM)... May 30 2007, 11:08 AM
ustrax QUOTE (Stephen @ May 30 2007, 12:08 PM) B... May 30 2007, 11:32 AM
djellison Stephen - have you looked at the HiRISE image to t... May 30 2007, 12:03 PM
Stephen QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 10:03 PM)... Jun 1 2007, 11:35 AM
Stephen QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 10:03 PM)... Jun 1 2007, 11:43 AM
djellison QUOTE (Stephen @ Jun 1 2007, 12:43 PM) Ca... Jun 1 2007, 12:58 PM
Stu I think most people here know just how much I live... May 30 2007, 11:23 AM
Stu Admit it ustrax, you just made that 'old sayin... May 30 2007, 11:53 AM
ustrax QUOTE (Stu @ May 30 2007, 12:53 PM) Admit... May 30 2007, 01:28 PM
dvandorn OK -- if we're seriously going to discuss wher... May 30 2007, 01:22 PM
fredk QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 30 2007, 01:22 PM) ... May 30 2007, 05:54 PM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 02:54 PM)... May 30 2007, 02:04 PM

Stu QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2007, 03:04 PM) Wh... May 30 2007, 02:06 PM

djellison QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2007, 03:04 PM) Wh... May 30 2007, 02:10 PM

ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 03:10 PM)... May 30 2007, 02:25 PM
Stu I know the romantic explorer in you can hear Ithac... May 30 2007, 01:57 PM
algorimancer Heading due east from Victoria would indeed be a v... May 30 2007, 02:20 PM
djellison QUOTE (algorimancer @ May 30 2007, 03:20 ... May 30 2007, 03:04 PM

algorimancer QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 10:04 AM)... May 30 2007, 03:36 PM
FIN Mars QUOTE (algorimancer @ May 30 2007, 04:20 ... Jun 3 2007, 07:50 PM
babakm The area directly South of Victoria looks pretty b... May 30 2007, 03:25 PM
ustrax Leaving aside the possible interest of the crater ... May 30 2007, 03:47 PM
gallen_53 I think MER-B should aggressively explore Victoria... May 30 2007, 03:37 PM
helvick QUOTE (gallen_53 @ May 30 2007, 04:37 PM)... May 30 2007, 06:58 PM
dvandorn Exactly -- as Doug says, we need more HiRISE image... May 30 2007, 03:51 PM
djellison We just built three new PC's here at work - Ar... May 30 2007, 03:55 PM
Edward Schmitz Dvandorn had an alternative idea above that doesn... May 30 2007, 04:40 PM
algorimancer I sure wish the HiRISE and other orbiter teams wou... May 30 2007, 04:48 PM
babakm QUOTE (algorimancer @ May 30 2007, 04:48 ... May 30 2007, 05:17 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (fredk @ May 30 2007, 12:54 PM) You... May 30 2007, 07:10 PM
MarsIsImportant I like the Craters A, B, and C idea better than st... May 31 2007, 04:10 AM
centsworth_II QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ May 31 2007, 12... May 31 2007, 04:24 AM
Pando Hey Ustrax, my good friend,
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ustrax QUOTE (Pando @ May 31 2007, 06:25 AM) ...... May 31 2007, 08:29 AM
gpurcell The rover spent a heck of a lot of time getting to... Jun 1 2007, 01:40 PM
Edward Schmitz QUOTE (gpurcell @ Jun 1 2007, 06:40 AM) T... Jun 1 2007, 04:50 PM
djellison I agree on that one - there's years of stuff h... Jun 1 2007, 02:10 PM
djellison But thinking about afterwards means you have to co... Jun 1 2007, 04:55 PM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 1 2007, 05:55 PM) ... Jun 1 2007, 07:37 PM
djellison Actually - on another forum someone suggested that... Jun 1 2007, 08:00 PM
algorimancer Getting back to the question of whether the region... Jun 1 2007, 08:33 PM
fredk That's good to hear, algorimancer! We rea... Jun 2 2007, 05:07 PM
stevesliva What is to the north of Endurance? If we retrace ... Jun 4 2007, 03:15 AM
edstrick What's north of Endurance is one or two of tho... Jun 4 2007, 06:29 AM
PaulM Oppy seems to be surviving the storm and assuming ... Aug 16 2007, 12:01 PM
djellison QUOTE (PaulM @ Aug 16 2007, 01:01 PM) if ... Aug 16 2007, 12:07 PM
Floyd Welcome to UMSF PaulM.
I'm not sure exac... Aug 16 2007, 12:35 PM
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