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May 28 2007, 02:07 PM
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![]() The Poet Dude ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
I know we've had rather light-hearted discussions about this before, with most people agreeing that Oppy is likely to end her days inside or on the edge of Victoria Crater, simply because there's nothing else to investigate within reach, but has Steve S got it in his mind that Oppy will head off somewhere else after Victoria? This report could be read in a way that suggests that...
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May 30 2007, 07:10 PM
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You read my mind, Doug! When I proposed my "escape route" onto the "tarmac" through the shortest stretch of dunes to the northeast of Victoria, I was eyeing those Victoria-class craters (A, B, C) as the first major targets, followed by (Hirise images favourable!) a drive southwards to the north rim of Big. Yeah -- like I say, *if* HiRISE imagery shows there is a relatively clear path through the northeastern apron of Victoria back up to the "tarmac," as you put it (as good a name as any), and *if* there are no major drive-around obstacles along the route to A-B-C, at an average of 200 meters per sol driving, it would only take 100 driving sols to cover 20 km. And I'm not even positive that A-B-C is as far as 20 km, that complex may only be 12 to 15 km away. While that kind of traverse would have seemed like a completely unreasonable goal at the beginning of the mission, we know now that, if we choose, we *can* drive an average of 200 km per sol for extended periods. And heck, even if Oppy adopted the drive-three-survey-one sol plan used by Spirit on its way to the Columbia Hills, it ought not take more than 150 sols, max, to get from Victoria to A. Perhaps as little as 100 to 125. I'm not too worried about it at present, since we're probably looking at spending the entire Martian summer and fall at Victoria. But for a long-term plan, I think that any traverse plan that places us back on the tarmac stands a good chance of getting us to another interesting location before winter solstice. I'd be far more comfortable with an extended mission plan that gets us to a new set of interesting targets before winter solstice, than with a plan that calls for us to just sit at Victoria for the entirety of the next winter -- assuming we're done with Victoria by then. And I have to agree with Doug, I just don't see a clear straight path to Ithaca from Victoria. And, of course, we have to understand that Oppy could die, become sensor-crippled or become hobbled at almost any time. I will rather diffidently make the point that if we lose Oppy's IDD in the midst of the Victoria campaign (and the IDD is the logical item to be lost next, since it is the most degraded of any of Oppy's sensing equipment up to now), it will take considerably less time to gather as much information as possible from Vicky and it may make more sense to observe what we can of other interesting targets before anything else dies, and especially before she completely loses a wheel and becomes hobbled like her sister. Without the IDD, you only have Pancam and mini-TES for detailed scientific analyses, and it will take far less time to gather that data than will be taken deploying the arm and running week-long Mossbauer and APXS integrations. But, of course, we *will* have to get some decent HiRISE coverage of the whole area before we can do more than engage in energetic arm-waving... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Stu After Victoria... May 28 2007, 02:07 PM
Sunspot But isn't the nearest feature of any significa... May 28 2007, 02:30 PM
Oren Iishi [quote name='Sunspot' date='May 28 200... May 28 2007, 03:47 PM
ustrax "We're going to do a lot of good science,... May 28 2007, 02:35 PM
fredk It's hard to conclude much at all from those p... May 28 2007, 03:28 PM
ustrax QUOTE (fredk @ May 28 2007, 04:28 PM) Mor... May 28 2007, 03:58 PM
PhilHorzempa As prep work, it would be nice to see HiRISE image... May 28 2007, 03:35 PM
djellison Scientifically it could be. Two, three or more ye... May 28 2007, 05:03 PM
MarsIsImportant Ustrax, I believe the bottom image is a stretched ... May 28 2007, 05:07 PM
tuvas During the last HiRISE team meeting, I think it wa... May 28 2007, 05:18 PM
fredk Thanks, tuvas, for tossing some very tasty nuggets... May 28 2007, 06:31 PM
tuvas Oh, I have no doubt that before a target is chosen... May 28 2007, 06:47 PM
David It wasn't even possible to have a serious disc... May 28 2007, 09:37 PM
nprev Yes... ... amazing that there's now concern o... May 28 2007, 10:56 PM
CosmicRocker I was ready to say that Erebus is a valid future t... May 29 2007, 12:39 AM
Bill Harris Any future target will have to be down-section, aw... May 29 2007, 02:54 AM
dvandorn I think we should look at the entirety of Steve... May 29 2007, 07:30 AM
ustrax QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 29 2007, 08:30 AM) ... May 29 2007, 08:05 AM
ustrax I've been bothering SS with the Ithaca issue, ... May 29 2007, 03:47 PM
ustrax And the whole context:
May 29 2007, 03:56 PM
djellison The WHOLE context would show the distance between ... May 29 2007, 04:16 PM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2007, 05:16 PM)... May 29 2007, 04:51 PM
djellison QUOTE (ustrax @ May 29 2007, 05:51 PM) Yo... May 29 2007, 05:50 PM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2007, 06:50 PM)... May 30 2007, 10:01 AM
climber QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2007, 12:01 PM) Do... May 30 2007, 10:11 AM
djellison QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2007, 11:01 AM) bu... May 30 2007, 10:30 AM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 11:30 AM)... May 30 2007, 11:04 AM
Edward Schmitz QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 03:30 AM)... May 30 2007, 04:08 PM
djellison QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ May 30 2007, 05:0... May 30 2007, 04:13 PM
Stu As much as I love the romance of that idea, it doe... May 29 2007, 05:36 PM
babakm Here's a perspective view from the HRSCView ap... May 29 2007, 05:46 PM
alan Maybe someday the romantics will get their wish an... May 29 2007, 10:15 PM
fredk You guys want completely uncalled for, brazen spec... May 29 2007, 11:59 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (fredk @ May 29 2007, 03:59 PM) ...... May 30 2007, 12:28 AM
nprev QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ May 29 2007, 05:28 P... May 30 2007, 12:48 AM
gallen_53 QUOTE (nprev @ May 30 2007, 12:48 AM) I... May 30 2007, 04:19 AM
Stu Don't underestimate the value of "pretty ... May 30 2007, 07:36 AM
djellison BUT - there is a point at which there would be cri... May 30 2007, 07:42 AM
Stu QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 08:42 AM)... May 30 2007, 08:03 AM
climber I understand the wish of engeneers to see how the ... May 30 2007, 07:44 AM
zoost QUOTE (climber @ May 30 2007, 07:44 AM) C... May 30 2007, 08:07 AM
Edward Schmitz QUOTE (climber @ May 30 2007, 12:44 AM) .... May 30 2007, 03:59 PM
Toma B That is why we love MERs so much...there are both ... May 30 2007, 07:45 AM
djellison In the context of Opportunity - a trip to Ithaca w... May 30 2007, 08:06 AM
Stephen QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2007, 03:03 AM)... May 30 2007, 11:08 AM
ustrax QUOTE (Stephen @ May 30 2007, 12:08 PM) B... May 30 2007, 11:32 AM
djellison Stephen - have you looked at the HiRISE image to t... May 30 2007, 12:03 PM
Stephen QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 10:03 PM)... Jun 1 2007, 11:35 AM
Stephen QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 10:03 PM)... Jun 1 2007, 11:43 AM
djellison QUOTE (Stephen @ Jun 1 2007, 12:43 PM) Ca... Jun 1 2007, 12:58 PM
Stu I think most people here know just how much I live... May 30 2007, 11:23 AM
Stu Admit it ustrax, you just made that 'old sayin... May 30 2007, 11:53 AM
ustrax QUOTE (Stu @ May 30 2007, 12:53 PM) Admit... May 30 2007, 01:28 PM
dvandorn OK -- if we're seriously going to discuss wher... May 30 2007, 01:22 PM
fredk QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 30 2007, 01:22 PM) ... May 30 2007, 05:54 PM
djellison I gotta say - those second two craters look damn i... May 30 2007, 01:54 PM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 02:54 PM)... May 30 2007, 02:04 PM

Stu QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2007, 03:04 PM) Wh... May 30 2007, 02:06 PM

djellison QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2007, 03:04 PM) Wh... May 30 2007, 02:10 PM

ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 03:10 PM)... May 30 2007, 02:25 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 08:54 AM)... May 30 2007, 03:12 PM
Stu I know the romantic explorer in you can hear Ithac... May 30 2007, 01:57 PM
algorimancer Heading due east from Victoria would indeed be a v... May 30 2007, 02:20 PM
djellison QUOTE (algorimancer @ May 30 2007, 03:20 ... May 30 2007, 03:04 PM

algorimancer QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 10:04 AM)... May 30 2007, 03:36 PM
FIN Mars QUOTE (algorimancer @ May 30 2007, 04:20 ... Jun 3 2007, 07:50 PM
babakm The area directly South of Victoria looks pretty b... May 30 2007, 03:25 PM
ustrax Leaving aside the possible interest of the crater ... May 30 2007, 03:47 PM
gallen_53 I think MER-B should aggressively explore Victoria... May 30 2007, 03:37 PM
helvick QUOTE (gallen_53 @ May 30 2007, 04:37 PM)... May 30 2007, 06:58 PM
dvandorn Exactly -- as Doug says, we need more HiRISE image... May 30 2007, 03:51 PM
djellison We just built three new PC's here at work - Ar... May 30 2007, 03:55 PM
Edward Schmitz Dvandorn had an alternative idea above that doesn... May 30 2007, 04:40 PM
algorimancer I sure wish the HiRISE and other orbiter teams wou... May 30 2007, 04:48 PM
babakm QUOTE (algorimancer @ May 30 2007, 04:48 ... May 30 2007, 05:17 PM
MarsIsImportant I like the Craters A, B, and C idea better than st... May 31 2007, 04:10 AM
centsworth_II QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ May 31 2007, 12... May 31 2007, 04:24 AM
Pando Hey Ustrax, my good friend,
remember
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ustrax QUOTE (Pando @ May 31 2007, 06:25 AM) ...... May 31 2007, 08:29 AM
gpurcell The rover spent a heck of a lot of time getting to... Jun 1 2007, 01:40 PM
Edward Schmitz QUOTE (gpurcell @ Jun 1 2007, 06:40 AM) T... Jun 1 2007, 04:50 PM
djellison I agree on that one - there's years of stuff h... Jun 1 2007, 02:10 PM
djellison But thinking about afterwards means you have to co... Jun 1 2007, 04:55 PM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 1 2007, 05:55 PM) ... Jun 1 2007, 07:37 PM
djellison Actually - on another forum someone suggested that... Jun 1 2007, 08:00 PM
algorimancer Getting back to the question of whether the region... Jun 1 2007, 08:33 PM
fredk That's good to hear, algorimancer! We rea... Jun 2 2007, 05:07 PM
stevesliva What is to the north of Endurance? If we retrace ... Jun 4 2007, 03:15 AM
edstrick What's north of Endurance is one or two of tho... Jun 4 2007, 06:29 AM
PaulM Oppy seems to be surviving the storm and assuming ... Aug 16 2007, 12:01 PM
djellison QUOTE (PaulM @ Aug 16 2007, 01:01 PM) if ... Aug 16 2007, 12:07 PM
Floyd Welcome to UMSF PaulM.
I'm not sure exac... Aug 16 2007, 12:35 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (Floyd @ Aug 16 2007, 07:35 AM) ...... Aug 16 2007, 01:03 PM
antoniseb QUOTE (algorimancer @ Aug 16 2007, 07:03 ... Aug 16 2007, 01:16 PM
Tom Tamlyn And don't forget Argos, the aged, faithful dog... Aug 16 2007, 02:44 PM
PaulM I find it interesting to speculate where the ... Aug 16 2007, 06:47 PM
mhoward Speaking of the "Oddysey," or the ... Aug 16 2007, 08:55 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (mhoward @ Aug 16 2007, 03:55 PM) .... Aug 16 2007, 10:52 PM
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