After Victoria..., .. what next? |
After Victoria..., .. what next? |
May 28 2007, 02:07 PM
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![]() The Poet Dude ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 5546 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
I know we've had rather light-hearted discussions about this before, with most people agreeing that Oppy is likely to end her days inside or on the edge of Victoria Crater, simply because there's nothing else to investigate within reach, but has Steve S got it in his mind that Oppy will head off somewhere else after Victoria? This report could be read in a way that suggests that...
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May 29 2007, 11:59 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2740 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
You guys want completely uncalled for, brazen speculation? I'll give you completely uncalled for, brazen speculation!
Perhaps we need to think outside the box on this one. Let's suppose we reach a point where it's deemed there's little to be gained staying at Vicky, and that we're still mobile and funded. Let's suppose the "big crater" to the southeast is deemed an interesting target. Instead of driving southeastish, the most direct route there, through what appears to be purgatoryish dunes, perhaps it would actually be far quicker to drive northeast, back to the flat tarmac we had around Endurance, and then skirt east towards the north rim of Big. In this map I've sketched a route that gets us to the tarmac very quickly from an extension of Vicky's anulus. In total, we'd spend far less distance in dunes than we have in the past. Of course this all depends on how far the tarmac continues eastwards. The circle is roughly where we first got stuck in dunes. |
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May 30 2007, 12:28 AM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 4502 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Sloughhouse, CA Member No.: 197 |
...suppose we reach a point where it's deemed there's little to be gained staying at Vicky, and that we're still mobile and funded..... it would actually be far quicker to drive northeast, back to the flat tarmac we had around Endurance I'm with you on part of that Fred, though I'm still way too skeptical about the chances of travelling 20 or so km. But if we have exhausted the obvious science at Victoria, then I could imagine getting back to the "tarmac" as you call it and heading back North or Northeast. Among some of our tasks could be meteorite hunting (or global impact ejecta), since Meridiani has proven to be a sort of uber-Antarctica in its meteorite hunting opportunities. Once on the tarmac again we could head back around to Endurance and Eagle, studying the dust deposition and erosion rates on different portions of Oppy's old tracks where we have a very EXACT timeline and season count since the soil was disturbed at each spot. The chance to examine the chute and backshell site is also something that would excite the engineers among us. -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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May 30 2007, 12:48 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 6481 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
The chance to examine the chute and backshell site is also something that would excite the engineers among us. I'd go for that. EDL at Mars is so notoriously (and historically) difficult that it would be well worth the effort to dedicate some intensive study to the heat shield, backshell, and especially the parachute...valuable follow-up data for future missions. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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May 30 2007, 04:19 AM
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I'd go for that. EDL at Mars is so notoriously (and historically) difficult that it would be well worth the effort to dedicate some intensive study to the heat shield, backshell, and especially the parachute...valuable follow-up data for future missions. A bunch of us wanted MER-A or B to take a close look at the backshell. The Back Interface Plate (BIP) and the covers for the Transverse Impulse Rocket Systems (TIRS) on the backshell are made out of SIRCA (Silicone Impregnated Reusable Ceramic Ablator). It would have been very interesting to see how well the SIRCA had held up. However the folks at JPL were adamant that getting anywhere near to the backshell was a non-option because the rover's wheels could have become entangled with the parachute's strings. Fortunately they allowed us to take a close look at the forebody heat shield. That was quite interesting and almost made up for not getting close to the backshell. |
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Stu After Victoria... May 28 2007, 02:07 PM
Sunspot But isn't the nearest feature of any significa... May 28 2007, 02:30 PM
Oren Iishi [quote name='Sunspot' date='May 28 200... May 28 2007, 03:47 PM
ustrax "We're going to do a lot of good science,... May 28 2007, 02:35 PM
fredk It's hard to conclude much at all from those p... May 28 2007, 03:28 PM
ustrax QUOTE (fredk @ May 28 2007, 04:28 PM) Mor... May 28 2007, 03:58 PM
PhilHorzempa As prep work, it would be nice to see HiRISE image... May 28 2007, 03:35 PM
djellison Scientifically it could be. Two, three or more ye... May 28 2007, 05:03 PM
MarsIsImportant Ustrax, I believe the bottom image is a stretched ... May 28 2007, 05:07 PM
tuvas During the last HiRISE team meeting, I think it wa... May 28 2007, 05:18 PM
fredk Thanks, tuvas, for tossing some very tasty nuggets... May 28 2007, 06:31 PM
tuvas Oh, I have no doubt that before a target is chosen... May 28 2007, 06:47 PM
David It wasn't even possible to have a serious disc... May 28 2007, 09:37 PM
nprev Yes... ... amazing that there's now concern o... May 28 2007, 10:56 PM
CosmicRocker I was ready to say that Erebus is a valid future t... May 29 2007, 12:39 AM
Bill Harris Any future target will have to be down-section, aw... May 29 2007, 02:54 AM
dvandorn I think we should look at the entirety of Steve... May 29 2007, 07:30 AM
ustrax QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 29 2007, 08:30 AM) ... May 29 2007, 08:05 AM
ustrax I've been bothering SS with the Ithaca issue, ... May 29 2007, 03:47 PM
ustrax And the whole context:
May 29 2007, 03:56 PM
djellison The WHOLE context would show the distance between ... May 29 2007, 04:16 PM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2007, 05:16 PM)... May 29 2007, 04:51 PM
djellison QUOTE (ustrax @ May 29 2007, 05:51 PM) Yo... May 29 2007, 05:50 PM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2007, 06:50 PM)... May 30 2007, 10:01 AM
climber QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2007, 12:01 PM) Do... May 30 2007, 10:11 AM
djellison QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2007, 11:01 AM) bu... May 30 2007, 10:30 AM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 11:30 AM)... May 30 2007, 11:04 AM
Edward Schmitz QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 03:30 AM)... May 30 2007, 04:08 PM
djellison QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ May 30 2007, 05:0... May 30 2007, 04:13 PM
Stu As much as I love the romance of that idea, it doe... May 29 2007, 05:36 PM
babakm Here's a perspective view from the HRSCView ap... May 29 2007, 05:46 PM
alan Maybe someday the romantics will get their wish an... May 29 2007, 10:15 PM
Stu Don't underestimate the value of "pretty ... May 30 2007, 07:36 AM
djellison BUT - there is a point at which there would be cri... May 30 2007, 07:42 AM
Stu QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 08:42 AM)... May 30 2007, 08:03 AM
climber I understand the wish of engeneers to see how the ... May 30 2007, 07:44 AM
zoost QUOTE (climber @ May 30 2007, 07:44 AM) C... May 30 2007, 08:07 AM
Edward Schmitz QUOTE (climber @ May 30 2007, 12:44 AM) .... May 30 2007, 03:59 PM
Toma B That is why we love MERs so much...there are both ... May 30 2007, 07:45 AM
djellison In the context of Opportunity - a trip to Ithaca w... May 30 2007, 08:06 AM
Stephen QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2007, 03:03 AM)... May 30 2007, 11:08 AM
ustrax QUOTE (Stephen @ May 30 2007, 12:08 PM) B... May 30 2007, 11:32 AM
djellison Stephen - have you looked at the HiRISE image to t... May 30 2007, 12:03 PM
Stephen QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 10:03 PM)... Jun 1 2007, 11:35 AM
Stephen QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 10:03 PM)... Jun 1 2007, 11:43 AM
djellison QUOTE (Stephen @ Jun 1 2007, 12:43 PM) Ca... Jun 1 2007, 12:58 PM
Stu I think most people here know just how much I live... May 30 2007, 11:23 AM
Stu Admit it ustrax, you just made that 'old sayin... May 30 2007, 11:53 AM
ustrax QUOTE (Stu @ May 30 2007, 12:53 PM) Admit... May 30 2007, 01:28 PM
dvandorn OK -- if we're seriously going to discuss wher... May 30 2007, 01:22 PM
fredk QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 30 2007, 01:22 PM) ... May 30 2007, 05:54 PM
djellison I gotta say - those second two craters look damn i... May 30 2007, 01:54 PM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 02:54 PM)... May 30 2007, 02:04 PM

Stu QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2007, 03:04 PM) Wh... May 30 2007, 02:06 PM

djellison QUOTE (ustrax @ May 30 2007, 03:04 PM) Wh... May 30 2007, 02:10 PM

ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 03:10 PM)... May 30 2007, 02:25 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 08:54 AM)... May 30 2007, 03:12 PM
Stu I know the romantic explorer in you can hear Ithac... May 30 2007, 01:57 PM
algorimancer Heading due east from Victoria would indeed be a v... May 30 2007, 02:20 PM
djellison QUOTE (algorimancer @ May 30 2007, 03:20 ... May 30 2007, 03:04 PM

algorimancer QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2007, 10:04 AM)... May 30 2007, 03:36 PM
FIN Mars QUOTE (algorimancer @ May 30 2007, 04:20 ... Jun 3 2007, 07:50 PM
babakm The area directly South of Victoria looks pretty b... May 30 2007, 03:25 PM
ustrax Leaving aside the possible interest of the crater ... May 30 2007, 03:47 PM
gallen_53 I think MER-B should aggressively explore Victoria... May 30 2007, 03:37 PM
helvick QUOTE (gallen_53 @ May 30 2007, 04:37 PM)... May 30 2007, 06:58 PM
dvandorn Exactly -- as Doug says, we need more HiRISE image... May 30 2007, 03:51 PM
djellison We just built three new PC's here at work - Ar... May 30 2007, 03:55 PM
Edward Schmitz Dvandorn had an alternative idea above that doesn... May 30 2007, 04:40 PM
algorimancer I sure wish the HiRISE and other orbiter teams wou... May 30 2007, 04:48 PM
babakm QUOTE (algorimancer @ May 30 2007, 04:48 ... May 30 2007, 05:17 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (fredk @ May 30 2007, 12:54 PM) You... May 30 2007, 07:10 PM
MarsIsImportant I like the Craters A, B, and C idea better than st... May 31 2007, 04:10 AM
centsworth_II QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ May 31 2007, 12... May 31 2007, 04:24 AM
Pando Hey Ustrax, my good friend,
remember
the
good
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ustrax QUOTE (Pando @ May 31 2007, 06:25 AM) ...... May 31 2007, 08:29 AM
gpurcell The rover spent a heck of a lot of time getting to... Jun 1 2007, 01:40 PM
Edward Schmitz QUOTE (gpurcell @ Jun 1 2007, 06:40 AM) T... Jun 1 2007, 04:50 PM
djellison I agree on that one - there's years of stuff h... Jun 1 2007, 02:10 PM
djellison But thinking about afterwards means you have to co... Jun 1 2007, 04:55 PM
ustrax QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 1 2007, 05:55 PM) ... Jun 1 2007, 07:37 PM
djellison Actually - on another forum someone suggested that... Jun 1 2007, 08:00 PM
algorimancer Getting back to the question of whether the region... Jun 1 2007, 08:33 PM
fredk That's good to hear, algorimancer! We rea... Jun 2 2007, 05:07 PM
stevesliva What is to the north of Endurance? If we retrace ... Jun 4 2007, 03:15 AM
edstrick What's north of Endurance is one or two of tho... Jun 4 2007, 06:29 AM
PaulM Oppy seems to be surviving the storm and assuming ... Aug 16 2007, 12:01 PM
djellison QUOTE (PaulM @ Aug 16 2007, 01:01 PM) if ... Aug 16 2007, 12:07 PM
Floyd Welcome to UMSF PaulM.
I'm not sure exac... Aug 16 2007, 12:35 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (Floyd @ Aug 16 2007, 07:35 AM) ...... Aug 16 2007, 01:03 PM
antoniseb QUOTE (algorimancer @ Aug 16 2007, 07:03 ... Aug 16 2007, 01:16 PM
Tom Tamlyn And don't forget Argos, the aged, faithful dog... Aug 16 2007, 02:44 PM
PaulM I find it interesting to speculate where the ... Aug 16 2007, 06:47 PM
mhoward Speaking of the "Oddysey," or the ... Aug 16 2007, 08:55 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (mhoward @ Aug 16 2007, 03:55 PM) .... Aug 16 2007, 10:52 PM
BrianL So, with the news that it is time to move on, and ... Feb 5 2008, 06:23 AM![]() ![]() |
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