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Stern Looks for Way Out of NASA's Budget Squeeze
Greg Hullender
post Jun 9 2007, 02:39 AM
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Science 1 June 2007:
Vol. 316. no. 5829, p. 1269

News of the Week
SPACE SCIENCE:
Stern Looks for Way Out of NASA's Budget Squeeze
Andrew Lawler
His $5.4 billion budget is stretched thin, but rather than cancel space projects nearing launch or ask for more money, NASA's new science chief Alan Stern says he intends to beef up lunar science, champion smaller and less complex spacecraft, and insist on hard-nosed cost estimates before larger missions can win approval.

Full article: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/316/5829/1269a

I especially liked this line: "I don't have to kill any missions," he insists. But he said NASA will consider firing those principal investigators in charge of missions that spiral out of control.
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PhilHorzempa
post Sep 19 2007, 05:06 PM
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NASA has convened the NOSSE committee to review future Space Science
options, including how to shape the next AO for New Frontiers. A recent letter
from Beta Reebe and Warren Buck, who are on the committee, discussed some
of the issues concerning future New Frontiers missions. Here is a link to that
letter -
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/opag/nosse_letter.pdf

You will notice toward the end of the letter that they ask whether mid-size Mars
missions should be allowed to be offered for New Frontiers projects. My firm
reply would be NO! Please do not allow Mars missions to engulf any more of the
Space Science budget.
As Alan Stern recently pointed out, Mars exploration already consumes almost
HALF of NASA's Space Science funds. The other half is devoted to ALL of the rest
of the Solar system! I'm sure that anyone of us could think of 10 interesting missions
to places besides Mars.
Don't get me wrong - I like Mars as much as anyone. However, I also believe that
it should not account for any more of NASA's unmanned exploration effort than it already
does. In fact, if there is a need for more robotic probes to Mars than is now planned,
I propose that it come from the Constellation budget. I'm sure that there will be a need
for precursor missions for manned landings, and these could serve double duty as
science missions.

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post Sep 19 2007, 05:27 PM
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The link doesn't work, but this small modification worked for me:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/opag/nosse_letter.pdf

I agree wholeheartedly on the Mars issue, although I think we need an even more detailed policy principle than to say that Mars should perpetually consume 50%, or 40%, or 25%, etc., of the budget. I think we should see the Mars emphasis that somewhat goes back to the failed Mars Explorer and continues to the present day as what is probably a temporary (if decades-long) bump in Mars emphasis in order to address specific science goals that are of particular interest and that have therefore garnered extra attention to Mars. But the point is to seek answers to those questions, not to emphasize Mars above all others until we can emphasize it no more. We could launch 100 more missions to Mars this century and still know it far less well than we know Arizona. But what is the goal? In science, we can always say that knowing more about Mars is better (true), but the opportunity cost needs to be addressed.

I believe that if you never give someone a budget or a deadline, at least an implicit one, you never get results. The Mars program has no incentive to answer the questions, and there is even programmatic incentive for investigators to dally around the big questions, keeping Mars the top funding draw into perpetuity.

I'd like to see a Mars program that identifies its goals, identifies a proposed, if tentative exploration architecture for meeting those goals, and a firm expectation that when that architecture has run its course, the gravy train for Mars will no longer be assured (unless new or ongoing conditions further increase the interest in Mars relative to the rest of the solar system).
Reason for edit: Removed quote of entire last post.
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post Sep 19 2007, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 19 2007, 06:27 PM) *
I'd like to see a Mars program that identifies its goals, identifies a proposed, if tentative exploration architecture for meeting those goals.


http://mepag.jpl.nasa.gov/

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- Greg Hullender   Stern Looks for Way Out of NASA's Budget Squeeze   Jun 9 2007, 02:39 AM
- - nprev   I don't envy him this. Budget control is damn ...   Jun 9 2007, 02:55 AM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 9 2007, 03:55 AM) I do...   Jun 9 2007, 09:37 PM
- - Greg Hullender   There's a difference between research and engi...   Jun 10 2007, 04:19 AM
|- - MaxSt   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Jun 9 2007, 11:19...   Jun 10 2007, 10:51 PM
- - nprev   Good observations, Greg. I'd say that it rea...   Jun 10 2007, 04:36 AM
- - djellison   I know just how Alan feels - I had £5000 to do a c...   Jun 10 2007, 10:06 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Using new technologies for the first time -- espec...   Jun 10 2007, 02:38 PM
- - Greg Hullender   Folks who know the math better than I do tell me n...   Jun 11 2007, 03:25 AM
- - djellison   Sounds like your advocating a progam of only very ...   Jun 11 2007, 06:59 AM
|- - mchan   QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 10 2007, 11:59 PM)...   Jun 11 2007, 08:40 AM
||- - helvick   QUOTE (mchan @ Jun 11 2007, 09:40 AM) On ...   Jun 11 2007, 02:23 PM
||- - mchan   QUOTE (helvick @ Jun 11 2007, 07:23 AM) I...   Jun 13 2007, 10:41 AM
|- - Greg Hullender   QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 10 2007, 11:59 PM)...   Jun 11 2007, 02:16 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Jun 11 2007, 10:1...   Jun 11 2007, 02:51 PM
- - cndwrld   People have been doing space science for a long ti...   Jun 11 2007, 10:53 AM
- - nprev   Hmm. Very good points, Steve, and they seem to har...   Jun 12 2007, 03:37 AM
- - Greg Hullender   Helvick: I agree competely about the JWST. Steve:...   Jun 12 2007, 03:38 AM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Jun 11 2007, 11:3...   Jun 12 2007, 05:08 AM
- - dvandorn   Unfortunately, the tendency towards "there mu...   Jun 12 2007, 05:01 PM
|- - gndonald   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 13 2007, 01:01 AM) ...   Jun 14 2007, 03:40 PM
- - nprev   True words, DV; definitely food for thought. The ...   Jun 13 2007, 01:32 AM
- - Littlebit   An even broader upscaling of cost is the distribut...   Jun 13 2007, 02:39 PM
- - dvandorn   You point out a key factor in understanding how th...   Jun 13 2007, 06:07 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 13 2007, 11:07 AM) ...   Jun 14 2007, 01:30 AM
|- - Littlebit   QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 13 2007, 07:30 PM) Wel...   Jun 14 2007, 02:05 PM
- - dvandorn   You make some truly excellent points, Littlebit. ...   Jun 14 2007, 02:21 PM
- - Littlebit   While I am on a role, there are two more major cul...   Jun 14 2007, 03:55 PM
- - monitorlizard   Maybe space science could benefit from the Air For...   Jun 14 2007, 07:33 PM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (monitorlizard @ Jun 14 2007, 12:33...   Jun 18 2007, 02:46 PM
|- - Littlebit   QUOTE (monitorlizard @ Jun 14 2007, 01:33...   Jun 18 2007, 07:42 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Littlebit @ Jun 18 2007, 09:42 AM)...   Jun 18 2007, 08:11 PM
||- - stevesliva   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jun 18 2007, 04:11...   Jun 18 2007, 09:42 PM
||- - Littlebit   QUOTE (AlexBlackwell @ Jun 18 2007, 02:11...   Jun 19 2007, 03:13 PM
||- - nprev   QUOTE (Littlebit @ Jun 19 2007, 08:13 AM)...   Aug 25 2007, 12:35 AM
||- - stevesliva   QUOTE (Littlebit @ Jun 19 2007, 11:13 AM)...   Aug 25 2007, 01:38 AM
||- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (Littlebit @ Jun 19 2007, 11:13 AM)...   Aug 27 2007, 01:05 PM
||- - Jim from NSF.com   QUOTE (Littlebit @ Jun 19 2007, 11:13 AM)...   Aug 27 2007, 01:08 PM
||- - nprev   QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Aug 27 2007, 06...   Aug 27 2007, 01:28 PM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (Littlebit @ Jun 18 2007, 12:42 PM)...   Sep 5 2007, 03:23 PM
- - PhilHorzempa   Check out Alan Stern's comments in the latest ...   Aug 24 2007, 03:59 PM
- - Jim from NSF.com   microgravity doesn't need to be simulated for ...   Aug 27 2007, 02:54 PM
- - remcook   "microgravity doesn't need to be simulate...   Aug 27 2007, 03:53 PM
- - djellison   Indeed - the ISS is being used as an LDEF platform...   Aug 27 2007, 05:07 PM
- - nprev   Thanks, Doug! Well, the wheel doubtlessly ...   Aug 27 2007, 11:14 PM
- - Rakhir   QUOTE (Littlebit @ Jun 18 2007, 07:42 PM)...   Sep 5 2007, 03:42 PM
- - PhilHorzempa   NASA has convened the NOSSE committee to review fu...   Sep 19 2007, 05:06 PM
|- - JRehling   The link doesn't work, but this small modifica...   Sep 19 2007, 05:27 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 19 2007, 06:27 PM) ...   Sep 19 2007, 05:38 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 19 2007, 12:27 PM) ...   Sep 19 2007, 05:55 PM
- - PhilHorzempa   I applaud Stern's efforts to get the most out ...   Sep 24 2007, 08:41 PM
|- - AscendingNode   QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ Sep 24 2007, 01:41 ...   Sep 24 2007, 09:09 PM
- - PhilHorzempa   A recent white paper by Paul Spudis, titled ...   Oct 5 2007, 05:00 PM
- - dvandorn   Note how o'Phil neglects to mention that Spudi...   Oct 5 2007, 05:25 PM
- - PhilCo126   Let's be realistic and hope to see a slight in...   Oct 5 2007, 06:01 PM
- - nprev   A bit of potential light in this regard: the Senat...   Oct 6 2007, 02:28 AM
- - PhilHorzempa   Alan Stern continues to do an excellent job at NAS...   Feb 26 2008, 10:53 PM
- - nprev   All I can say is hats off to Alan. I've had to...   Feb 27 2008, 01:38 AM
- - PhilHorzempa   I hope that a budget issue regarding future New Fr...   Mar 25 2008, 01:54 AM
- - mps   In the same presentation is noted that Juno will c...   Mar 25 2008, 12:04 PM
- - Mariner9   That's a darn good question, and your guess is...   Mar 26 2008, 06:06 AM
- - Stephen   Not sure whether this has been mentioned yet but A...   Mar 27 2008, 05:58 AM
- - PhilHorzempa   As Alan Stern leaves NASA, I find myself sad. In ...   Mar 31 2008, 04:07 AM


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