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Welcome Professor "brine splat" Burt, "a chance to ask questions... or raise objections"
centsworth_II
post Jun 15 2007, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE (dburt @ Jun 14 2007, 11:04 PM) *
As an aside, the related suggestion that at least some of the fine-grained layers above or below any boulder
deposits (or elsewhere on Mars) could likewise represent ancient impact deposits (non-ballistic fine-grained
sand and dust distributed over vast areas by fast-moving, turbulent, erosive gaseous density currents - a.k.a.
impact surge clouds - or by the winds as later fallout) already seems to have aroused considerable controversy
on this forum, but again that's peripheral to Emily's boulder comment.


So you're the dburt of Basal Surge fame?

"ASU geologists L. Paul Knauth and Donald Burt, who along with Kenneth Wohletz of Los Alamos National
Laboratory, say that base surges resulting from massive explosions caused by meteorite strikes offer a simpler
and more consistent explanation for the rock formations and sediment layers found at the Opportunity site.
"
http://www.asu.edu/news/stories/200512/200..._meteorites.htm

I haven't followed the situation closely enough to ask any good questions, but I wonder if anyone else here
would like to ask about your current views.

for reference, the basal surge thread is here:
http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...surge&st=30
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- centsworth_II   Welcome Professor "brine splat" Burt   Jun 15 2007, 08:37 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   Let's just assume for an instant that the impa...   Jul 11 2007, 08:34 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   Absence of evidence is not evidence of their absen...   Jul 12 2007, 02:50 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Jul 11 2007, 07...   Jul 12 2007, 05:18 AM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (dburt @ Jul 9 2007, 07:02 PM) This...   Jul 12 2007, 04:43 AM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Jul 12 2007, 05:43 ...   Jul 12 2007, 06:55 AM
- - nprev   ...sounded pretty convincing to me! However,...   Jul 12 2007, 06:32 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 11 2007, 11:32 PM) .....   Jul 12 2007, 05:49 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   Dr. Burt I have a lot to respond to, so please be...   Jul 12 2007, 12:46 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Jul 12 2007, 05...   Jul 12 2007, 07:53 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   ...to respond to post #210 Dr. Burt This may tak...   Jul 12 2007, 01:57 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Jul 12 2007, 06...   Jul 12 2007, 09:14 PM
- - ngunn   A quickie - Why only haematite? Where are all the ...   Jul 12 2007, 02:15 PM
|- - MarsIsImportant   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jul 12 2007, 09:15 AM) A q...   Jul 12 2007, 02:30 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jul 12 2007, 07:15 AM) A q...   Jul 12 2007, 08:04 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   It is safe to say that the MER team has already ca...   Jul 12 2007, 03:47 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Jul 12 2007, 11...   Jul 12 2007, 04:15 PM
- - helvick   Glotch et al 2006 "Fresnel modeling of hemati...   Jul 12 2007, 04:28 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (helvick @ Jul 12 2007, 09:28 AM) I...   Jul 13 2007, 03:48 AM
- - MarsIsImportant   Well, here is a quote from the Glotch paper about ...   Jul 12 2007, 05:00 PM
- - helvick   I don't think that the sample you reference wa...   Jul 12 2007, 05:10 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   Geothite with hematite...it looks fairly Martian t...   Jul 12 2007, 06:01 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Jul 12 2007, 11...   Jul 14 2007, 04:57 AM
|- - MarsIsImportant   QUOTE (dburt @ Jul 13 2007, 11:57 PM) Mar...   Jul 14 2007, 08:00 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Jul 14 2007, 01...   Jul 16 2007, 11:28 PM
- - ngunn   Dburt I have a genuine query for you. I'm try...   Jul 12 2007, 06:43 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jul 12 2007, 11:43 AM) Dbu...   Jul 12 2007, 07:46 PM
- - ngunn   And thank you too for the specific answers. So it...   Jul 12 2007, 09:05 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jul 12 2007, 02:05 PM) And...   Jul 12 2007, 10:40 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   Professor the evidence for groundwater at Meridian...   Jul 12 2007, 09:20 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Jul 12 2007, 02...   Jul 13 2007, 02:38 AM
- - tfisher   I've been doing a little reading to try to cat...   Jul 13 2007, 03:38 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (tfisher @ Jul 12 2007, 08:38 PM) I...   Jul 13 2007, 06:27 AM
- - hendric   I might have missed too much of the discussion alr...   Jul 13 2007, 05:45 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (hendric @ Jul 12 2007, 10:45 PM) I...   Jul 13 2007, 07:11 AM
- - ngunn   Thanks for the reply, dburt. My doubts about the p...   Jul 13 2007, 09:56 AM
- - ngunn   On the convective updraught point - have you calcu...   Jul 13 2007, 10:52 AM
- - centsworth_II   I have a hard time imagining the beads/berries for...   Jul 13 2007, 02:51 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jul 13 2007, 07:51...   Jul 16 2007, 11:02 PM
- - ngunn   Centsworth - since nobody else has come back on th...   Jul 13 2007, 10:09 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jul 13 2007, 03:09 PM) Cen...   Jul 14 2007, 02:37 AM
- - MarsIsImportant   Another major problem concerning an impact scenari...   Jul 13 2007, 11:04 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Jul 13 2007, 04...   Jul 14 2007, 07:35 AM
- - helvick   Ngunn - you asked about the terminal velocity of b...   Jul 14 2007, 07:46 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (helvick @ Jul 14 2007, 12:46 AM) N...   Jul 16 2007, 11:19 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   ...Solution to many observational problems--HiRISE...   Jul 14 2007, 07:49 AM
- - Shaka   Well, Science Marches On! The Seventh Internat...   Jul 14 2007, 09:54 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (Shaka @ Jul 14 2007, 02:54 PM) Wel...   Jul 16 2007, 10:42 PM
- - Bill Harris   Of course, we could hold the "First Internati...   Jul 14 2007, 10:15 PM
- - ngunn   Helvick - thanks for those velocities. Dburt I...   Jul 14 2007, 11:21 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jul 14 2007, 04:21 PM) Hel...   Jul 17 2007, 12:35 AM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (dburt @ Jul 17 2007, 01:35 AM) You...   Jul 17 2007, 10:10 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jul 17 2007, 03:10 AM) Tha...   Jul 18 2007, 02:45 AM
- - Kye Goodwin   nqunn, Dr Burt, I have a question about the nicke...   Jul 15 2007, 04:36 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (Kye Goodwin @ Jul 14 2007, 09:36 P...   Jul 18 2007, 01:13 AM
- - tty   There are some things that I find problematic with...   Jul 15 2007, 07:03 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (tty @ Jul 15 2007, 12:03 PM) There...   Jul 18 2007, 01:41 AM
- - nprev   Please forgive the generalism, but this may be a u...   Jul 16 2007, 03:12 AM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 16 2007, 04:12 AM) How...   Jul 16 2007, 08:07 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jul 16 2007, 01:07 AM) The...   Jul 18 2007, 01:50 AM
- - ngunn   It had it's own thread, though not many posts ...   Jul 16 2007, 02:18 PM
- - don   Dburt From day one the principal shortcoming of t...   Jul 16 2007, 08:05 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (don @ Jul 16 2007, 01:05 PM) Dburt...   Jul 18 2007, 02:07 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (dburt @ Jul 17 2007, 07:07 PM) - w...   Jul 18 2007, 02:19 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 17 2007, 07:19 PM) Has...   Jul 18 2007, 02:27 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (dburt @ Jul 17 2007, 07:27 PM) The...   Jul 18 2007, 02:35 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 17 2007, 07:35 PM) Don...   Jul 19 2007, 12:25 AM
- - dburt   In early March 2004, about a month after Oppy land...   Jul 17 2007, 01:48 AM
|- - Shaka   QUOTE (dburt @ Jul 16 2007, 03:48 PM) ......   Jul 17 2007, 06:42 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (Shaka @ Jul 16 2007, 11:42 PM) Rea...   Jul 18 2007, 02:22 AM
- - CosmicRocker   QUOTE (don @ Jul 16 2007, 03:05 PM) I gue...   Jul 17 2007, 05:33 AM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Jul 16 2007, 10:33 ...   Jul 18 2007, 02:32 AM
- - MarsIsImportant   That's the point, isn't it? A volcanic su...   Jul 17 2007, 07:24 AM
- - don   CosmicRocker Fe diffusion in some form makes sens...   Jul 17 2007, 01:27 PM
- - helvick   QUOTE (dburt @ Jul 17 2007, 12:19 AM) Hel...   Jul 17 2007, 02:52 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (helvick @ Jul 17 2007, 07:52 AM) T...   Jul 18 2007, 03:03 AM
- - Aussie   Dburt If I understand correctly you are proposing ...   Jul 17 2007, 11:01 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (Aussie @ Jul 17 2007, 04:01 PM) Db...   Jul 18 2007, 03:18 AM
- - helvick   One other interesting thing about the potential te...   Jul 18 2007, 12:19 AM
- - Shaka   Hydrocode modelling of impact plumes is an ongoing...   Jul 18 2007, 12:57 AM
- - dburt   Well, time to quit again, and here are a couple mo...   Jul 18 2007, 04:22 AM
- - ngunn   QUOTE (helvick @ Jul 17 2007, 03:52 PM) h...   Jul 18 2007, 01:15 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (ngunn @ Jul 18 2007, 06:15 AM) ......   Jul 19 2007, 02:15 AM
- - MarsIsImportant   Dr. Burt, That crossbedding on that cliff you sho...   Jul 18 2007, 01:33 PM
- - don   HDP don - Nice pictures, but more of terrestrial v...   Jul 18 2007, 01:44 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (don @ Jul 18 2007, 06:44 AM) HDP d...   Jul 18 2007, 10:21 PM
- - dburt   Well, that seems to about cover Mars impacts for t...   Jul 19 2007, 03:54 AM
- - ngunn   I'll be here less often for a bit - it's t...   Jul 19 2007, 09:08 AM
- - nprev   Thanks for the link, esteemed HDP! Gotta sa...   Jul 19 2007, 09:12 AM
- - Bill Harris   QUOTE ...many trillions of nano-scale hematite fla...   Jul 19 2007, 01:20 PM
- - Aussie   Dburt, You make the case that Mars basalt is Fe ri...   Jul 19 2007, 02:06 PM
- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Aussie @ Jul 19 2007, 10:06 AM) Al...   Jul 19 2007, 03:02 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jul 19 2007, 07:02...   Jul 19 2007, 09:50 PM
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