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The Descent into Victoria, Possible and Actual Strategies
glennwsmith
post Jun 24 2007, 06:17 AM
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Here's an obvious scenario that better minds can critique: we will descend hugging the clockwise cliff but also at some safe distance from it (lest a rock should become dislodged during the next wind event or daily thermal cycle and fall on the solar panels), occasionally turning to face it (but still at some safe distance) and using the full reach of the instrument arm to RAT and take micrographs and readings.
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djellison
post Jun 28 2007, 06:06 PM
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  • Very confident of getting to the bright rocks.
  • Another 'tens' of metres further in - fairly confident.
  • Beyond that - all bets are off. We will not venture onto steep sandy slopes unless we know there is bedrock underneath.
  • Not sure where this stuff lies compared to Burns cliff - need to do the science to match it up.
  • Not going to attempt to get to bright band anywhere else other than Duck Bay. Wouldn't go close to Cape St Vinc. Cliffs are scarey things for little rovers.
  • Regional dust storm - about a week old. Tracking it via MRO/MARCI with daily weather updates. It's regional extent - mainly south of Oppy. Don't have predicitive power for it - past experience suggests it may be starting to blow itself out.
  • Dust storm blocks out sunlight, less power - but Opportunity is very clean. The storm is a risk- but well position to deal with it.
  • Dust levels are the amoung the highest we've ever seen
  • Mini-TES of bright band? Not really - from Mini TES it's all rich in sulphates. The differences in Sulphate chemistry we saw at Endurance were only evident in close detail. Primarily the APXS that pulls out the subtle differences. That + microscope. Rat+APXS+MI is what we need to unravel this problem.
  • What would be the plan if the dust got worse for Oppportunity? We have experience with Spirit - we had a very dust rover, deep into winter, power levels dip to less than 300Whrs. Before the storm near Opportunity we were at nearly 800whrs, and off the showroom floor it was only around 900Whrs.
  • Craig Covault : Anything you want to say about Spirit?
    • Steve mainly 'on' Opportunity but jealous of the Spirit stuff. 'Silica Valley'.
    • Identified another patch of bright soil but different from Gert.Wei, but right next to it.
    • Found rock with crazy nobbly texture ( difficult to IDD with ) - that's also high in Silica.
    • Tried to crunch some with the wheel - and nothing happened - but, right next to it, another piece of rock that did break. 'Innocent Bystander'
    • After studying that - time to get up onto Home Plate
  • Total cost - ongoing cost?
    • To date from project inception to 4th extension - a little over $900m
    • Current annual rate is $20-24M
  • Spirit hit by dust-devil?
    • No instruments on when cleaned (were using Mini-TES at the time)
    • Last few weeks - several cleaning events - two big ones - Spirit has more than Oppy
    • First jump at about 1320 local - possible direct hit from DD.
    • Imaged rover duck - pattern of removed dust very patchy. Some clean, some not - perhaps has something to do with DD.
And that's a wrap.

Doug
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- glennwsmith   The Descent into Victoria   Jun 24 2007, 06:17 AM
- - Stu   Think we're going to be seeing a LOT of this c...   Jun 24 2007, 07:29 AM
|- - BrianL   QUOTE (Stu @ Jun 24 2007, 01:29 AM) Think...   Jun 24 2007, 04:10 PM
- - Stu   Sorry BrianL, should have been clearer... I know t...   Jun 24 2007, 04:29 PM
- - abalone   What impact is this going to have on the energy pr...   Jun 25 2007, 06:28 AM
- - helvick   There is a loss due to shading but it's less t...   Jun 25 2007, 11:15 AM
- - fredk   It depends on what direction the cliff is facing, ...   Jun 25 2007, 03:16 PM
|- - Stu   QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 25 2007, 04:16 PM) I...   Jun 25 2007, 03:38 PM
- - As old as Voyager   I remember once reading that surface temperatures ...   Jun 25 2007, 06:13 PM
- - dvandorn   Yes, it generally is true. It's a matter of s...   Jun 25 2007, 06:26 PM
- - AndyG   ...Hmmm. Then the focus of any near-parabolic crat...   Jun 26 2007, 07:18 AM
- - dvandorn   Most craters aren't parabolic, and thus don...   Jun 26 2007, 07:28 AM
- - Edward Schmitz   You do see DD's spinning off of craters but, f...   Jun 26 2007, 03:10 PM
- - fredk   Looking at wide angle orbital views, even at Gusev...   Jun 26 2007, 03:15 PM
- - djellison   1 p.m. EDT, Thursday, June 28 NASA will hold a m...   Jun 26 2007, 06:52 PM
- - CosmicRocker   Thanks for noting that, Doug. That's exci...   Jun 27 2007, 04:26 AM
- - Reckless   Hi everyone I couldn't find that NASA briefin...   Jun 27 2007, 08:41 AM
- - djellison   Tomorrow. I think it will be an audio telecon wit...   Jun 27 2007, 08:56 AM
- - akuo   It isn't on NASA TV schedule for tomorrow eith...   Jun 27 2007, 09:01 AM
- - Tesheiner   Here is the press release. It's audio only.   Jun 27 2007, 09:50 AM
- - Reckless   Thanks Doug and Tesheiner I really thought today w...   Jun 27 2007, 10:07 AM
- - Stu   Looking forward to the teleconference today, which...   Jun 28 2007, 05:54 AM
- - Geographer   What an inspiring speech Stu! You should writ...   Jun 28 2007, 06:45 AM
- - Reckless   O.K. Stu You've pushed me over the edge. so ...   Jun 28 2007, 11:44 AM
- - Tesheiner   The telecon should have already started, but the N...   Jun 28 2007, 03:41 PM
- - algorimancer   Here I go, spitting into the wind again. I think ...   Jun 28 2007, 03:54 PM
|- - ToSeek   QUOTE (algorimancer @ Jun 28 2007, 03:54 ...   Jun 28 2007, 09:11 PM
- - akuo   The teleconference is still an hour and a bit away...   Jun 28 2007, 03:56 PM
- - Tesheiner   I must go back to school! 1pm + 6h = 7pm and...   Jun 28 2007, 04:08 PM
- - CosmicRocker   I won't be able to listen to it after all. I ...   Jun 28 2007, 04:48 PM
- - Tom Tamlyn   The press release for the teleconference states th...   Jun 28 2007, 04:48 PM
|- - mars loon   QUOTE (Tom Tamlyn @ Jun 28 2007, 04:48 PM...   Jun 28 2007, 08:00 PM
- - djellison   Yes - it'll go live when the conf. starts. Th...   Jun 28 2007, 04:49 PM
- - mhoward   Currently "You are the sunshine of my life.....   Jun 28 2007, 04:54 PM
- - djellison   http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/070628/index...   Jun 28 2007, 05:01 PM
- - CosmicRocker   Images and animations are here, now. http://www.na...   Jun 28 2007, 05:01 PM
- - akuo   Nice animation. Didn't think they would go tha...   Jun 28 2007, 05:06 PM
- - Oersted   Hmm, that talk + the vids weren't really tailo...   Jun 28 2007, 05:09 PM
- - dvandorn   I've been able to listen for a bit, here (thou...   Jun 28 2007, 05:23 PM
- - dvandorn   Specifics on entry -- they'll go to the southe...   Jun 28 2007, 05:25 PM
- - CosmicRocker   Thanks for the summaries, O'Doug.   Jun 28 2007, 05:37 PM
|- - dvandorn   QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Jun 28 2007, 12:37 ...   Jun 28 2007, 05:50 PM
- - dvandorn   More updates -- Steve says that the biggest concer...   Jun 28 2007, 05:40 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jun 28 2007, 06:40 PM) ...   Jun 28 2007, 05:47 PM
- - dvandorn   Squyres: "The sole basis of our scientific r...   Jun 28 2007, 05:44 PM
- - djellison   Squyres on targets outside of Victoria if/when the...   Jun 28 2007, 05:59 PM
- - dvandorn   Steve was just asked what goals they might have af...   Jun 28 2007, 05:59 PM
- - djellison   Very confident of getting to the bright rocks.Anot...   Jun 28 2007, 06:06 PM
- - Tom Tamlyn   Interesting discussion by SS about the team's ...   Jun 28 2007, 06:09 PM
- - volcanopele   I have been watching the press conference, but the...   Jun 28 2007, 06:17 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   That was a lot of good information. They asked a ...   Jun 28 2007, 06:30 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (MarsIsImportant @ Jun 28 2007, 07...   Jul 3 2007, 11:44 AM
|- - Pando   QUOTE (ustrax @ Jul 3 2007, 04:44 AM) You...   Jul 3 2007, 06:30 PM
|- - helvick   QUOTE (Pando @ Jul 3 2007, 07:30 PM) ... ...   Jul 3 2007, 09:18 PM
|- - Sunspot   QUOTE (helvick @ Jul 3 2007, 10:18 PM) By...   Jul 3 2007, 10:42 PM
||- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Jul 4 2007, 12:42 AM) I ...   Jul 4 2007, 09:18 AM
|- - Pando   QUOTE (helvick @ Jul 3 2007, 02:18 PM) By...   Jul 3 2007, 11:45 PM
- - remcook   that's a pretty good route map!   Jun 28 2007, 09:05 PM
- - Stu   I want new vistas too, but I have to admit I'v...   Jun 28 2007, 10:18 PM
- - ollopa   Curious: they seem to have pulled the 20-second ...   Jun 28 2007, 10:42 PM
|- - mars loon   QUOTE (ollopa @ Jun 28 2007, 10:42 PM) Cu...   Jun 28 2007, 11:54 PM
|- - alan   QUOTE (ollopa @ Jun 28 2007, 05:42 PM) Cu...   Jun 29 2007, 05:00 AM
- - lyford   Mods - please let me know if this isn't kosher...   Jun 29 2007, 12:08 AM
- - CosmicRocker   Thanks for the summaries and comments, people. Ev...   Jun 29 2007, 05:06 AM
- - Stu   3D of "Bright Band" I was amazed by y...   Jun 29 2007, 06:10 AM
- - Tesheiner   I'm still trying to understand the planned ent...   Jun 29 2007, 11:25 AM
- - djellison   My intepretation is this   Jun 29 2007, 12:19 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   Green marks the entry path. That's my underst...   Jun 29 2007, 02:22 PM
- - Tesheiner   So that's more or less the same site as of sol...   Jun 29 2007, 02:26 PM
- - djellison   Just 'left' of it, if that makes any sense...   Jun 29 2007, 02:29 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   What I don't understand is that they picked an...   Jun 29 2007, 03:17 PM
- - djellison   Slope too steep there perhaps - too close to the c...   Jun 29 2007, 03:51 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   Well, the slope is not too steep. As for being to...   Jun 29 2007, 04:10 PM
- - dvandorn   I think you have the right idea, MII. I know that...   Jun 29 2007, 05:14 PM
- - Tom Tamlyn   For those who missed the press conference, a telep...   Jun 29 2007, 06:21 PM
- - Tman   Surprisingly on the SPACE-MULTIMEDIA site, that us...   Jun 29 2007, 07:24 PM
|- - BrianL   One thing is not clear to me in what was announced...   Jun 30 2007, 03:55 PM
- - djellison   It's a case of 'see how we go'. The w...   Jun 30 2007, 04:13 PM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 30 2007, 08:13 AM)...   Jun 30 2007, 04:22 PM
- - CosmicRocker   BrianL: That bright band is the safest, pre-impac...   Jul 1 2007, 06:08 AM
- - Astro0   Hi All, Just before Oppy heads into VC, I thought...   Jul 2 2007, 10:52 PM
- - nprev   ...awesome as always, Astro0! Thanks!   Jul 3 2007, 02:27 AM
- - CosmicRocker   Yeah, it's very well done, Astro0.   Jul 3 2007, 03:00 AM
- - Stu   Stunning pic Astro! Time and time again you...   Jul 3 2007, 06:25 AM
- - Astro0   Thanks Stu. Time and time again your prose takes m...   Jul 3 2007, 06:43 AM
|- - maycm   QUOTE BTW, if anyone would like the full 16.6mb ve...   Jul 3 2007, 08:15 PM
- - neo56   Very beautiful picture Astro0 ! Could you tel...   Jul 3 2007, 12:03 PM
|- - Astro0   Neo56, The base image was from the Pancam website....   Jul 3 2007, 11:33 PM
- - Tom Tamlyn   >once Oppy gets past standdown. Pando, Do you...   Jul 3 2007, 08:52 PM
- - um3k   Astro0, I have a suggestion for your image. You sh...   Jul 3 2007, 09:36 PM
- - Stu   That "ripple" looks a bit, um, big, dont...   Jul 3 2007, 10:00 PM
|- - BrianL   QUOTE (Stu @ Jul 3 2007, 04:00 PM) That ...   Jul 4 2007, 03:53 AM
- - Tesheiner   Have a look to these two fhazcam images. The fi...   Jul 4 2007, 03:07 PM
- - Sunspot   This could be the end of Opportunity.   Jul 4 2007, 03:12 PM
- - djellison   We're at a low of 400whrs (175 more than Spiri...   Jul 4 2007, 03:16 PM
- - fredk   Thanks for that, Tesheiner. I made an animated gi...   Jul 4 2007, 03:49 PM
- - helvick   Reports of impending doom are definitely premature...   Jul 4 2007, 04:44 PM
|- - Analyst   QUOTE (helvick @ Jul 4 2007, 04:44 PM) I ...   Jul 4 2007, 06:17 PM
|- - Pando   QUOTE (helvick @ Jul 4 2007, 09:44 AM) .....   Jul 4 2007, 08:52 PM
- - Sunspot   They should try and get some sunset/sunrise pictur...   Jul 4 2007, 06:20 PM
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