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Tunguska Crater Found?
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post Jun 24 2007, 06:11 PM
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A small lake in Siberia may be a secondary impact feature from the famous 1908 Tunguska event:

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/full/...2.x?cookieSet=1


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post Jun 25 2007, 01:54 PM
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I know -- same here. And the physical effects found at the site all indicate an airburst-type explosion.

Now, one other airburst explosion that we know of has occurred since Tunguska, though it was a much, much smaller bolide that exploded. I'm referring to the Tagish Lake meteor. That meteor did scatter a lot of material on the ground (well, specifically on the surface of a frozen lake) below the airburst. So we have evidence that such airburst-style bolide impacts don't vaporize the entire impactor as they explode.

Perhaps the Tunguska impactor exploded in the air but some of the mass survived the airburst and struck the ground. That impact would have occurred along the ballistic trajectory of the impactor and not in the center of the airburst-generated blast zone, so it would make sense for it to be somewhat offset from the center of that blast zone. Which is supposedly what is being claimed here.

We just don't have a very good concept of how various types of impactors behave under extreme entry heating conditions. We know generally what can happen from looking at the few such events that have occurred on Earth during human history, and looking at the resulting impact effects of even older bolide strikes. But we don't know the exact composition of the various impactors that have been observed; we have a very poor idea of the composition of airburst impactors, especially. I can well imagine that impactors relatively enriched in volatiles would be more likely to explode before they hit the ground, but we don't know how such bodies are organized before they hit our atmosphere. So, if a large cometary fragment should strike us, it's possible that the volatiles would be irregularly distributed within the mass and while a portion of the mass might explode in the air, another portion might be less enriched in volatiles and thus continue on to a ground impact.

We just don't have enough data to be able to model that kind of thing. Yet.

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- nprev   Tunguska Crater Found?   Jun 24 2007, 06:11 PM
- - Sunspot   Secondary impact crater? I always thought that th...   Jun 25 2007, 08:23 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Jun 25 2007, 01:23 AM) S...   Jun 26 2007, 12:34 AM
- - dvandorn   I know -- same here. And the physical effects fou...   Jun 25 2007, 01:54 PM
- - ngunn   I couldn't open that original link so went loo...   Jun 25 2007, 02:34 PM
- - Floyd   Seems like a good piece of science. They have evi...   Jun 25 2007, 04:14 PM
- - Mongo   It would be appropriate if the possible buried mas...   Jun 26 2007, 01:38 PM
- - TheChemist   Some critique also in the BBC story .   Jun 26 2007, 02:52 PM
|- - David   QUOTE (TheChemist @ Jun 26 2007, 02:52 PM...   Jun 26 2007, 03:54 PM
||- - Floyd   QUOTE (David @ Jun 26 2007, 11:54 AM) The...   Jul 1 2007, 12:54 PM
|- - Paolo   QUOTE (TheChemist @ Jun 26 2007, 04:52 PM...   Jul 1 2007, 03:27 PM
- - ugordan   Isn't the whole point that the area was uninha...   Jun 26 2007, 04:21 PM
- - volcanopele   Yeah, I would be cautious as well about the lake h...   Jun 26 2007, 05:20 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   To me, the whole Tunguska story sure sounded sexie...   Jun 26 2007, 05:23 PM
- - Juramike   (I couldn't access either link, something abou...   Jun 26 2007, 05:46 PM
- - Juramike   Space.com article out. (Sonar image of lake botto...   Jun 26 2007, 06:23 PM
- - Floyd   Strange, both links work for me. Just tested them...   Jun 26 2007, 11:13 PM
- - David   The area wasn't uninhabited; sparsely inhabite...   Jun 27 2007, 12:59 AM
- - nprev   I have to wonder just how close eyewitnesses could...   Jul 1 2007, 02:27 AM
- - edstrick   Presuming the lake pre-dates the impact and is not...   Jul 2 2007, 08:00 AM
- - tanjent   Can someone explain what would make a meteor explo...   Jul 3 2007, 05:42 PM
- - dvandorn   The answer is sort of "all of the above....   Jul 3 2007, 06:23 PM
- - Mongo   I believe that the kinetic energy of a meteoroid i...   Jul 3 2007, 07:02 PM
- - helvick   Any body that is not absolutely solid will disinte...   Jul 3 2007, 07:35 PM
- - helvick   Ah beaten to it! I don't think that the i...   Jul 3 2007, 07:41 PM
- - nprev   BTW, is the Tunguska impactor still tentatively th...   Jul 4 2007, 04:35 AM
- - edstrick   "Can someone explain what would make a meteor...   Jul 4 2007, 07:57 AM
- - nprev   Seems as if the estimated impact velocity places s...   Jul 4 2007, 08:37 PM
|- - Rob Pinnegar   QUOTE (nprev @ Jul 4 2007, 02:37 PM) EDIT...   Jul 7 2007, 07:17 PM
- - nprev   Maybe; the surrounding area looks pretty flat, but...   Jul 7 2007, 09:13 PM
- - PhilCo126   While we're celebrating the 100th anniversary ...   Jun 7 2008, 06:46 PM
- - tasp   I might speculate that a body entering the earth...   Jun 7 2008, 11:39 PM
- - dilo   I personally knew one of the authors of the articl...   Jun 8 2008, 08:14 AM
- - Doc   One question... Was any material from the blasted...   Jun 10 2008, 07:27 PM
- - nprev   I'd always thought that some sort of residue h...   Jun 11 2008, 12:34 AM
- - PhilCo126   Some "superb" Tunguska web resources: h...   Sep 9 2008, 07:54 PM


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