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Poll: Iapetus dark material source, A poll about the source of the dark material on Iapetus |
Sep 6 2007, 03:38 AM
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As we approach Iapetus for this close fly-by, I thought it might be fun to try and predict if, after we see the close up images of the transition region and Voyager Mountains, the source of the dark material will be obviously endogenic or exogenic, or there will still be no obvious explanation.
I'll go for the longshot, endogenic. Michael |
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Sep 7 2007, 11:06 PM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Great question, GS, though I don't think that we know how thick it is (much less its composition and therefore molar mass, assuming it's homogeneous) to figure that out yet. The other big issues associated with this idea are:
1. Why aren't all the icy moons coated in smutz, if Titan is the source? See no obvious reason why this stuff should preferentially migrate outward from Saturn, unless Hyperion's irregular orbit helps to pump it out somehow (and assuming that Hyperion has enough mass to make a difference). 2. What the hell is smutz if it exists, anyhow? Complex, heavy organic molecules presumably do not escape from Titan at any great rate; most effluents must be very light (mostly H2, in fact). Shooting from the hip, here, I'd guess that propane (C3H8) might be close to the upper limit of molecular weight for escaping compounds. 3. Given #2, there must be a significant amount of decomposition of compounds due to solar radiation while they're drifting around in the TST awaiting Iapetus impact, decreasing yield. 4. Once they're on the surface, then additional reactions must be postulated in order to generate the dark material, unless it's just elemental carbon. Playing devil's advocate here for a theory I personally support...please feel free to kick holes in all this! -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Sep 8 2007, 12:02 PM
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1. Why aren't all the icy moons coated in smutz, if Titan is the source? Perhaps they are, but Enceladus is continuously re-coating them. After all, Enceladus spewings touch at least 11 other moons... -------------------- "I got a call from NASA Headquarters wanting a color picture of Venus. I said, “What color would you like it?” - Laurance R. Doyle, former JPL image processing guy
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Michael Capobianco Poll: Iapetus dark material source Sep 6 2007, 03:38 AM
nprev Mmm...might not be obvious from this encounter, bu... Sep 6 2007, 03:54 AM
David The black stuff is all on the leading edge of Iape... Sep 6 2007, 04:02 AM
tasp Gunk on Iapetus and Hyperion dark crater bottoms a... Sep 6 2007, 04:06 AM
dvandorn I also have to go with exogenic. From the closest... Sep 6 2007, 10:54 AM
ngunn I thought it was supposed to be just the residue l... Sep 6 2007, 11:07 AM
ugordan I agree with ngunn here, the sublimation model app... Sep 6 2007, 11:10 AM
ngunn QUOTE (ugordan @ Sep 6 2007, 12:10 PM) I ... Sep 6 2007, 11:36 AM
ugordan Yes, they might both be a consequence of a third f... Sep 6 2007, 11:39 AM
ngunn Agreed. The ridge is ancient, the repainting must ... Sep 6 2007, 11:43 AM
tasp Ridge and splotch are unrelated other than high en... Sep 6 2007, 12:52 PM
Pavel Do we have any proof that it's dark material o... Sep 6 2007, 01:19 PM
Bjorn Jonsson QUOTE (Pavel @ Sep 6 2007, 01:19 PM) Do w... Sep 6 2007, 02:39 PM
Juramike I agree.
For all it's amazing curiosity and ... Sep 6 2007, 01:20 PM
nprev ...well, to be fair, a hypothetical Titanian Juram... Sep 6 2007, 01:36 PM
ngunn QUOTE (Pavel @ Sep 6 2007, 02:19 PM) Do w... Sep 6 2007, 02:38 PM
nprev I agree, Bjorn, and thanks ngunn for answering my ... Sep 6 2007, 03:18 PM
djellison I don't 'do' Saturnian moons (havn... Sep 6 2007, 03:23 PM
nprev Er...you can try the first cup, Big Guy...I'll... Sep 6 2007, 03:26 PM
antoniseb My take is pretty close to ngunn's. It looks t... Sep 6 2007, 03:29 PM
nprev QUOTE (antoniseb @ Sep 6 2007, 08:29 AM) ... Sep 6 2007, 03:37 PM
Juramike VIMS might be able to provide some further data:
... Sep 6 2007, 05:49 PM
ugordan You can't really directly compare Titan's ... Sep 6 2007, 05:51 PM
Juramike QUOTE (ugordan @ Sep 6 2007, 01:51 PM) Yo... Sep 6 2007, 06:22 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Michael Capobianco @ Sep 5 2007, 08... Sep 6 2007, 06:13 PM
Stu ... and the award for most "ugh, that's d... Sep 6 2007, 06:36 PM
JRehling Yes, the creeping crud is a disturbing notion. It... Sep 6 2007, 09:45 PM
Gsnorgathon QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 6 2007, 09:45 PM) .... Sep 7 2007, 06:11 AM
ngunn QUOTE (Gsnorgathon @ Sep 7 2007, 07:11 AM... Sep 7 2007, 11:15 AM
volcanopele My money is exogenic. Iapetus is dead. It is dea... Sep 6 2007, 06:33 PM
JRehling QUOTE (volcanopele @ Sep 6 2007, 11:33 AM... Sep 9 2007, 04:04 PM
nprev ...
Valid as that really interesting idea is, I... Sep 6 2007, 07:03 PM
The Messenger endogenic - natural composition of the crust of Ia... Sep 7 2007, 02:38 AM
ngunn QUOTE (The Messenger @ Sep 7 2007, 03:38 ... Sep 7 2007, 11:25 AM
nprev Hmm. Anybody got some quatloos they want to risk? ... Sep 7 2007, 03:18 AM
dvandorn To the argument that we can't tell if the dark... Sep 7 2007, 07:04 AM
Gsnorgathon QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 7 2007, 07:04 AM) .... Sep 7 2007, 10:30 PM
nprev I don't know if Alex has posted this yet, but ... Sep 7 2007, 03:24 PM
Gsnorgathon Well, I figured the error bars might be pretty big... Sep 8 2007, 03:29 AM

nprev QUOTE (Gsnorgathon @ Sep 7 2007, 08:29 PM... Sep 8 2007, 03:55 AM
tty QUOTE (nprev @ Sep 8 2007, 01:06 AM) What... Sep 9 2007, 05:43 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (tty @ Sep 9 2007, 11:43 AM) How ab... Sep 9 2007, 06:22 PM
Big_Gazza This armchair boffin-wannabee (using the term in i... Sep 8 2007, 11:10 PM
JRehling QUOTE (Big_Gazza @ Sep 8 2007, 04:10 PM) ... Sep 9 2007, 06:50 PM
David Which of Saturn's outer satellites comes close... Sep 9 2007, 04:31 PM
monitorlizard Those of you who have read Arthur C. Clarke's ... Sep 10 2007, 04:10 PM
antoniseb QUOTE (monitorlizard @ Sep 10 2007, 10:10... Sep 10 2007, 04:13 PM
monitorlizard Please, you're harshing my buzz.
Actually, I ... Sep 10 2007, 04:19 PM![]() ![]() |
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