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MSL Cost Caps and de-scoping - Sept '07
Rakhir
post Sep 16 2007, 07:43 PM
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Very bad news. sad.gif
It's certainly the best way to run the business of cost overruns but even if we are used to these kind of consequences, it's always sad to hear.

NASA cuts LANL sampler from next Mars rover
http://www.lamonitor.com/articles/2007/09/...news/news02.txt

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And also...
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/sto...p;channel=space
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.rss.sp....html?pid=25415

... removal of the Mars Descent Imager (MARDI) and the zoom capability on the mast camera...
... SAM and CheMin were cost-capped...
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djellison
post Sep 26 2007, 02:08 PM
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For those wondering - it's here : http://mepag.jpl.nasa.gov/msl.html

What I don't understand is this..

MC : " I think as part of all three instruments being selected, the total cost was significantly lower."

and

MEPAG : "after a combined 60% cost growth"

Now cost 'growth' seems a careful selection of words. Where was the genesis for this growth. Was it from the top asking for changes, or at the instrument level just getting the budget estimation wrong from the start? Something doesn't scan here.

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- Rakhir   MSL Cost Caps and de-scoping - Sept '07   Sep 16 2007, 07:43 PM
- - Jeff7   Wow, it sounds like they really stripped out a lot...   Sep 16 2007, 08:56 PM
- - Sunspot   They might as well just re-launch an MER rover now...   Sep 16 2007, 08:58 PM
- - Steve   Sad to hear all these cuts but at least one of the...   Sep 16 2007, 09:25 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Steve @ Sep 16 2007, 02:25 PM) Sad...   Sep 17 2007, 02:14 AM
|- - algorimancer   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 16 2007, 09:14 PM...   Sep 17 2007, 05:24 PM
- - djellison   The loss of MARDI seems bizarre - because iirc - i...   Sep 16 2007, 09:56 PM
- - slinted   If it doesn't make the payload, ChemCam will b...   Sep 16 2007, 10:33 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (slinted @ Sep 16 2007, 11:33 PM) I...   Oct 23 2007, 10:43 AM
- - monitorlizard   If nothing else, these cuts will put "the fea...   Sep 16 2007, 11:21 PM
- - Eluchil   It's a real shame about ChemCam, but NASA does...   Sep 17 2007, 04:21 AM
|- - Stephen   QUOTE (Eluchil @ Sep 17 2007, 02:21 PM) I...   Sep 17 2007, 06:52 AM
- - Geographer   Is there a possibility other nations could fund Ch...   Sep 18 2007, 02:24 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (Geographer @ Sep 18 2007, 03:24 PM...   Sep 18 2007, 02:25 PM
- - gpurcell   Well, there was Stern's talk about integrating...   Sep 18 2007, 09:15 PM
- - monitorlizard   If it turns out that ChemCam doesn't make it o...   Sep 21 2007, 05:55 AM
|- - Steve   QUOTE (monitorlizard @ Sep 21 2007, 01:55...   Sep 21 2007, 12:57 PM
|- - Stephen   QUOTE (monitorlizard @ Sep 21 2007, 03:55...   Sep 24 2007, 01:46 AM
|- - TheChemist   QUOTE (Stephen @ Sep 24 2007, 04:46 AM) ....   Sep 24 2007, 09:02 AM
- - djellison   Or - if you look at it another way - having a cach...   Sep 21 2007, 01:15 PM
- - gpurcell   Exactly. My comment wasn't to be snarky...I t...   Sep 21 2007, 05:48 PM
|- - tglotch   I think that the total amount of money available i...   Sep 21 2007, 08:51 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (tglotch @ Sep 21 2007, 01:51 PM) B...   Sep 21 2007, 09:27 PM
- - monitorlizard   "Making a cache almost guarantees funding for...   Sep 22 2007, 03:43 AM
- - edstrick   Kieth Cowing, www.nasawatch.com has a bit of a ran...   Sep 22 2007, 08:42 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (edstrick @ Sep 22 2007, 01:42 AM) ...   Sep 22 2007, 03:09 PM
- - Mariner9   I agree that we really don't know much about w...   Sep 22 2007, 08:47 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Sep 22 2007, 01:47 PM) ...   Sep 22 2007, 10:35 PM
- - helvick   Some commentary by Leonard David over at LiveScien...   Sep 23 2007, 07:26 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (helvick @ Sep 23 2007, 12:26 PM) ....   Sep 23 2007, 10:41 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (helvick @ Sep 23 2007, 03:26 PM) S...   Sep 24 2007, 03:15 PM
- - mcaplinger   This Falcon stuff is all totally off-topic for MSL...   Sep 25 2007, 01:36 PM
- - djellison   You're right Mike - http://www.unmannedspacefl...   Sep 25 2007, 02:09 PM
- - djellison   Trying to find some meat for this whole issue is l...   Sep 25 2007, 09:05 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 25 2007, 02:05 PM)...   Sep 25 2007, 09:28 PM
- - algorimancer   That $1M figure for the sample collection bas...   Sep 26 2007, 12:55 PM
- - monitorlizard   This is from a recent MEPAG article titled "M...   Sep 26 2007, 01:12 PM
|- - MahFL   They Low Ball all the time or they would never get...   Sep 26 2007, 01:31 PM
||- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (MahFL @ Sep 26 2007, 06:31 AM) The...   Sep 26 2007, 02:27 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (monitorlizard @ Sep 26 2007, 06:12...   Sep 26 2007, 03:01 PM
|- - ustrax   I was told by one of the participants in the 2nd M...   Oct 18 2007, 11:51 AM
- - djellison   For those wondering - it's here : http://mepag...   Sep 26 2007, 02:08 PM
- - nprev   Great article, Rui. It's a damn shame that ...   Oct 23 2007, 02:26 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 23 2007, 03:26 PM) Gre...   Oct 23 2007, 04:34 PM
- - Mariner9   I can't find the link now, but I've seen ...   Oct 23 2007, 05:38 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Oct 23 2007, 10:38 AM) ...   Oct 23 2007, 10:37 PM
- - monitorlizard   I don't think anyone at NASA, including Alan S...   Oct 23 2007, 07:21 PM
|- - stevesliva   QUOTE (monitorlizard @ Oct 23 2007, 03:21...   Oct 23 2007, 09:07 PM
||- - nprev   QUOTE (stevesliva @ Oct 23 2007, 02:07 PM...   Oct 23 2007, 11:27 PM
||- - tedstryk   This constantly happens. When budget issues come ...   Oct 24 2007, 12:19 AM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (monitorlizard @ Oct 23 2007, 07:21...   Nov 9 2007, 09:57 PM
|- - climber   QUOTE (ustrax @ Nov 9 2007, 10:57 PM) ......   Nov 12 2007, 09:17 PM
- - nprev   Not to play PM here, but what's causing the ov...   Oct 23 2007, 07:40 PM
- - mcaplinger   ChemCam and MARDI have been reinstated as MSL inst...   Nov 9 2007, 05:17 AM
- - djellison   A difficult trade - but I'm very very glad tha...   Nov 9 2007, 07:50 AM
|- - Eluchil   I am very happy to see ChemCam back. The process ...   Nov 9 2007, 07:44 PM
|- - algorimancer   QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 9 2007, 01:50 AM) ...   Nov 9 2007, 08:59 PM
- - monitorlizard   I found an interesting report and perspective from...   Nov 13 2007, 03:53 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (monitorlizard @ Nov 12 2007, 07:53...   Nov 13 2007, 04:56 AM
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- - djellison   MastCam is going to be on there - but as to the ex...   May 27 2008, 11:56 PM
- - TheChemist   Date set for Mars sample mission QUOTE "2018...   Jul 10 2008, 10:21 PM

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