ESA Laplace, Mission to Jupiter and Europa |
ESA Laplace, Mission to Jupiter and Europa |
Sep 27 2007, 10:39 AM
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I just read in a French astronomical magazine (Ciel et Espace) about the next proposals for future ESA missions (window 2015-2025), and especially about the Laplace mission to Jupiter and Europa.
Some info might be found here: http://jupiter-europa.cesr.fr/ Like Bepi Colombo, the mission should be composed of several spacecrafts: a Jupiter Planetary Orbiter (JPO), a Jupiter Magnetospheric Orbiter (JMO) and a Jupiter Europa Orbiter (JEO), and may be even an Europa lander. Of course this would be done in collaboration with Nasa and Japan. I read also about a collaboration with the JUNO spacecraft. Any chance this will once become a reality ? Marc. |
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Nov 4 2007, 05:00 PM
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I am beginning to doubt that ESA will pick either of the two outer planet missions for their next big mission.
For Jupiter, NASA and ESA have fundamentally different mission architectures. NASA is looking at single craft with a large science payload. (~170kg) ESA has been looking at a split mission in which one craft stays in the outer Jovian system and provides a communications relay while a small orbiter (with a fairly small science payload ~43kg) is placed in orbit around Europa. (The third craft in Laplace, as I understand it, would be a Japanese supplied craft to study the magnetosphere.) (My comments on the Laplace design are based on the ESA Jovian minisat study, which I understand is the basis for Laplace. Please correct me if I'm wrong.) Neither of the NASA options (a Europa or Ganymede orbiter) has the mass reserve for an additional spacecraft. I also cannot imagine NASA depending on a second craft to handle the communications relay rather than simply building that into their orbiter. Given that, what role could an ESA spacecraft play? At today's exchange rate, 640M euros is roughly $1B, which is the cost of Juno, which is as simple of an orbiter as could be built. However, the purchasing power of the 640M euros in Europe is really more like $640M (unless ESA builds the craft in the United States). So what could ESA add to a Jupiter mission for 2/3 the purchasing power of Juno? Possibly a 3-axis stabilized outer moon flyby/remote Jupiter and Io observer craft. But to fit that into $640M purchasing power, someone else would have to provide the launcher. (Neither NASA option has sufficient mass margin for a second piggy back craft of any size). For a Titan mission, there are three key pieces of technology development required. The first is aerocapture, which will not be tried out in the next New Millennium mission. Also, presentations on the mission have discussed the need for technology development for the balloon material and operation in a cryogenic environment. Given three pieces of undeveloped technology, I suspect that NASA will pass on Titan for the next Flagship mission. (The Europa mission has had 10-15 years of technology development and has the technology available now that it needs.) Europe could make a major contribution to a multi-craft Titan mission, but again, I don't think NASA will pick it. Instead, I expect NASA to begin funding the technology development for a Titan mission to be selected about 10 years from now. Unfortunately, $640M in purchasing power just doesn't buy that much for outer planet missions. It would be possible for ESA to build substantial portions of a single Jupiter bound craft, but I don't know if that would provide the visibility that ESA would deserve for that large of an investment. Now, if I were king and could supply a launch vehicle, I'd love to see ESA fly either a outer moon flyby/remote Jupiter and Io observer or a Ganymede orbiter to compliment a large Europa orbiter. Either would be a killer mission that could be solar powered and would not have extreme radiation problems. -------------------- |
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MarcF ESA Laplace Sep 27 2007, 10:39 AM
tasp Easy to propose a mission.
A tad harder to ... Sep 27 2007, 01:22 PM
Stu QUOTE (MarcF @ Sep 27 2007, 11:39 AM) Any... Sep 27 2007, 02:54 PM
climber QUOTE (Stu @ Sep 27 2007, 04:54 PM) Oh ye... Sep 27 2007, 05:58 PM
elakdawalla I have some notes from Gerhard Schwehm's prese... Sep 27 2007, 05:16 PM
remcook Right now the cosmic visions programme has made it... Sep 27 2007, 07:10 PM
edstrick Europe is now willing and able to fly what are ess... Sep 28 2007, 09:28 AM
Mariner9 Bepi-Columbo is a great mission, but it was in pre... Sep 29 2007, 06:26 PM
Paolo QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Sep 29 2007, 08:26 PM) ... Sep 29 2007, 07:12 PM
rlorenz QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Sep 29 2007, 02:26 PM) ... Nov 1 2007, 03:07 AM
Paolo You forgot a relatively small mission, the Solar O... Sep 29 2007, 07:10 PM
edstrick I'd have to dig out <can't get at it no... Oct 1 2007, 09:00 AM
gndonald QUOTE (edstrick @ Oct 1 2007, 05:00 PM) I... Nov 3 2007, 02:34 PM
Paolo QUOTE (gndonald @ Nov 3 2007, 03:34 PM)
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gndonald QUOTE (Paolo @ Nov 5 2007, 04:45 AM) The ... Nov 5 2007, 01:34 AM
ngunn TANDEM has its own site with lots of detailed note... Nov 1 2007, 11:22 AM
power QUOTE (ngunn @ Nov 1 2007, 12:22 PM) TAND... Nov 20 2007, 02:31 PM
rlorenz QUOTE (vjkane @ Nov 4 2007, 12:00 PM) ...... Nov 4 2007, 10:07 PM
vjkane QUOTE (rlorenz @ Nov 4 2007, 10:07 PM) I... Nov 5 2007, 04:23 AM
rlorenz QUOTE (vjkane @ Nov 4 2007, 11:23 PM) As ... Nov 5 2007, 01:14 PM
rlorenz QUOTE (vjkane @ Nov 4 2007, 11:23 PM) I t... Nov 5 2007, 01:21 PM
vjkane A modest proposal:
The concurrent consideration o... Nov 5 2007, 04:09 PM
ngunn That's exactly the scenario I've been quie... Nov 5 2007, 05:00 PM
djellison Which of the two (Jovian or Saturnian) splits up t... Nov 5 2007, 05:40 PM
vjkane full inline quote removed - Doug
If I remember th... Nov 5 2007, 06:27 PM
ngunn Interestingly while TANDEM seems to be ahead of La... Nov 20 2007, 04:19 PM
djellison I assume Ralph et.al. are still working on theirs.... Nov 20 2007, 04:22 PM
ngunn I assume so too, but I note that Ralph Lorenz, Jon... Nov 21 2007, 10:13 PM
Geographer It seems pertinent to suggest ESA and NASA should ... Nov 22 2007, 02:00 PM
djellison QUOTE (Geographer @ Nov 22 2007, 02:00 PM... Nov 22 2007, 02:05 PM
mps Russia is to participate in the Laplace mission. R... Jan 8 2008, 11:39 AM
nprev A lander, no less!!!
Well...we can... Jan 8 2008, 12:16 PM
vjkane Getting a mission into the $2B frame that NAS... Jan 8 2008, 07:08 PM![]() ![]() |
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