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Sep 25 2007, 02:55 AM
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Iapetus is not small enough to be able to dissipate atmosphere instantly to the void.
There is a 'retention half life', poorly defined however. I am of the opinion a given parcel of gas introduced to the Iapetan environment will dissipate. But more like 1/2 of it in mere weeks, another 1/2 in the same interval, and so on till it is essentially 'gone'. This is, for most small bodies in the solar system, a moot point. However, for Iapetus, perhaps the reality is a bit more complex. If atmospheric 'blow off' from Titan 'spirals out to Iapetus, then we might expect a very tenuous increase in the Iapetan vicinity as the effluent 'wafts' by. Alternatively, if Titanian atmospheric 'blow off' is transported primarily via the Saturnian magnetostail, then we might expect an intermittent application of the effluents. Probably mostly when the inclined Iapetan orbit intersects the appropriate arc behind Saturn twice every Saturnian year. There is never much 'gas' around Iapetus at any given time. But over 3 or 4 billion years, it mounts up. A color change has been noted in the Cassini Regio 'crud' (yeah, I vote for black on white) as one wends their way around Iapetus. I suspect, as the gas dissipates, the composition changes slightly per the molecular weight of the effluents, most likely methane and N2. Which ever one is heavier becomes more concentrated (even as the absolute amount decreases) and we see the resulting composition change in the 'precipitation' or staining that occurs over time (and time being each Iapetan revolution about Saturn, ~80 days) We also note a color (and/or saturation of the color) change in some of the stained craters seen in the recent flyby. My estimation is we are seeing 'ponding' effects of the gas. Whereas on the flattish surface areas forming the 'stain' in a relatively specific arc of the Iapetan revolution about Saturn due to the gas pretty much dissipating locally, the craters retain a 'pond' of the gas longer, and the staining reaction continues for a longer fraction of the Iapetan orbital arc. And we observe the subtle change in the appearence of the 'crud'. We have also noted that the eastern and western 'extensions' of Cassini Regio staining overlap on the oppposite hemisphere. We need to realize that specific areas of 'staining' occur 180 degrees around (~40) days the Iapetan orbit, and the intersecting patterns are applied alternatingly. Has anyone found a fresh crater (white splat) in the dark region yet ?? We can get an idea of the 'regeneration' rate of the 'black crud' by noting just how rare white splats are. 'None' is an interesting answer, as it indicates an ongoing process is 'repaving' the 'crud'. A process that is amenable to study, btw, by disposing of Cassini at mission end in Cassini Regio, and observing the fresh crater with a future mission. Perhaps Steve will make a rover for us. |
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Oct 17 2007, 11:55 PM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Interesting idea, but I would be very surprised if there's enough K-40 on Iapetus near enough to the surface to generate a significant--or even detectable-- amount of radon in the first place, to say nothing of the escape rate. Ditto for Titanian effluents.
As long as we're speculating, though, what about some sort of catalytic effect? If Iapetus' surface is enriched in exotic organics like another Saturnian moon we know (albeit minus a thick atmosphere), then maybe ordinary metallic meteorites might provide the seed for subsequent reactions. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Oct 18 2007, 08:48 AM
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Interesting idea, but I would be very surprised if there's enough K-40 on Iapetus near enough to the surface to generate a significant--or even detectable-- amount of radon in the first place, to say nothing of the escape rate. Ditto for Titanian effluents. I expect you're right (except that 222Radon comes from Uranium, not Potassium). However the Iapetan sublimation residues are probably unique in the outer solar system in concentrating heavy elements - along with organics - near a visible surface. We would be talking about a VERY thin Radon atmosphere at best, but being radioactive that could maybe still have observable effects over time. |
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tasp Iapetus Theories Sep 25 2007, 02:55 AM
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tasp I found an interesting passage in the Planetary Ri... Oct 2 2007, 01:34 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (tasp @ Oct 2 2007, 07:34 AM) Faili... Oct 2 2007, 02:12 PM

tasp QUOTE (The Messenger @ Oct 2 2007, 09:12 ... Oct 2 2007, 02:53 PM
JRehling QUOTE (tasp @ Oct 2 2007, 06:34 AM) Iapet... Oct 2 2007, 02:32 PM
tasp The highest point on the equatorial ground track i... Oct 2 2007, 02:41 PM
tasp An example:
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tasp {I was a little pressed for time this AM, will fle... Oct 3 2007, 02:57 AM
tasp And some things we don't know.
(or I don... Oct 8 2007, 02:39 AM
JRehling QUOTE (tasp @ Oct 7 2007, 07:39 PM) * The... Oct 8 2007, 04:28 AM
ngunn QUOTE (JRehling @ Oct 8 2007, 05:28 AM) T... Oct 8 2007, 10:37 AM
As old as Voyager Interesting piece on NS Space suggesting dark spot... Oct 8 2007, 05:21 PM
As old as Voyager Interesting piece on NS Space suggesting dark spot... Oct 8 2007, 05:22 PM
Jyril QUOTE (As old as Voyager @ Oct 8 2007, 08... Oct 8 2007, 06:56 PM
Pertinax Similar to the NS article is this recently posted ... Oct 8 2007, 08:06 PM
David QUOTE (Pertinax @ Oct 8 2007, 08:06 PM) S... Oct 9 2007, 12:01 AM
tasp Over the eons, Titan is presumed to have lost thou... Oct 15 2007, 01:31 AM
tasp More on Iapetus:
* Comparing the amount of gas a... Oct 15 2007, 05:41 PM
Bill Harris In my wildest imaginings I see that gas impinging ... Oct 15 2007, 09:04 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Oct 15 2007, 03:04 P... Oct 16 2007, 02:40 AM
tasp I am not sure the relevence of this experiment to ... Oct 16 2007, 02:17 AM
The Messenger QUOTE (tasp @ Oct 15 2007, 08:17 PM) I am... Oct 16 2007, 02:35 PM
tasp Regarding Iapetan surface chemistry, presumably we... Oct 16 2007, 02:24 AM
Bill Harris I know, 'tis but a silly theory. This an odd ... Oct 16 2007, 08:53 AM
tasp Are we talking at cross purposes ??
My intended g... Oct 16 2007, 05:28 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (tasp @ Oct 16 2007, 11:28 AM) Am I... Oct 17 2007, 02:59 AM
David QUOTE (The Messenger @ Oct 17 2007, 02:59... Oct 17 2007, 07:12 AM
ngunn Before Cassini, Iapetus was widely assumed to be a... Oct 17 2007, 11:14 AM
tasp A reddish enhanced darkened crater in a greenish ... Oct 17 2007, 03:44 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (tasp @ Oct 17 2007, 09:44 AM) A re... Oct 18 2007, 03:54 PM
ngunn It's an interesting idea and I am trying to ma... Oct 17 2007, 04:24 PM
ngunn Nobody buying the idea of Radon accumulation on Ia... Oct 17 2007, 08:40 PM
nprev QUOTE (ngunn @ Oct 18 2007, 01:48 AM) I e... Oct 19 2007, 11:20 AM
ngunn QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 19 2007, 12:20 PM) (sl... Oct 19 2007, 11:34 AM
ngunn OK forget the Radon atmosphere - that was one of m... Oct 18 2007, 11:13 AM
tasp Black crud might have variable thickness from east... Oct 19 2007, 05:30 AM
tasp I am thinking 'ponding' is not a problem.
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