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Icy satellite encounters Revs 51 and 52, October - November 2007 |
Oct 3 2007, 05:10 PM
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There are some great mid-range and far-out icy moon and rock encounters in the offing over the next month and a half...
Cassini has a break from skimming Titan's cloud-tops and comes within some fairly useful ranges of various other moons. I don't know how many of the following will be targeted for imagery (Ciclops looking ahead page hints at several), but I'm guessing Hyperion and Enceladus, and hoping for Prometheus and Pan. The distances I have are from various averaged sources and may be up to 10% out to allow for trajectory changes: 21st Oct - Hyperion 117,000km 24th Oct - Helene 36,000km 24th Oct - Prometheus 105,000km 24th Oct - Janus 150,000km 16th Nov - Rhea 80,000km (everyone's favourite!) 17th Nov - Pan 96,000km 17th Nov - Calypso 94,000km 17th Nov - Enceladus 120,000km 17th Nov - Pandora 88,000km 17th Nov - Epimetheus 95,000km Echoing sentiments elsewhere on the forum, many congratulations to the Cassini team thus far. |
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Oct 7 2007, 07:37 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1688 Joined: 5-March 05 From: Boulder, CO Member No.: 184 |
Here's a try at a Celestia movie for Enceladus Nov 17 that suggests a potential to fill in some map details. After the closest approach there is a period at low phase angles where Enceladus rotates around at a distance of about 250000km.
enceladus2.avi ( 868.5K )
Number of downloads: 452I hope to use some of the intervening time to iron out a few wrinkles in my triaxial ellipsoid remapping. EDIT 10/08/2007 2130 UTC: Movie replaced with corrected longitudes (I hope). -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Oct 7 2007, 09:03 PM
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Why does Enceladus go dark half way through? Is it passing through Saturn's shadow?
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Oct 7 2007, 09:11 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1688 Joined: 5-March 05 From: Boulder, CO Member No.: 184 |
Yes alan, there is an eclipse going on during 11/17.
Another note is that the subpoint is a bit more southerly for this flyby compared with the one from the past week, so despite the farther distance it should be somewhat favorable for mapping of the interesting mid-southerly latitude dark markings. These are good to get while the southern summer is still in progress. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Oct 22 2007, 04:19 PM
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Oct 23 2007, 06:52 PM
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Much anticipation on my part for this Hyperion mini-sequence - I think this may be the closest we get to 'old spongy' in the remainder of the mission (primary and extended) and the mission planners seem to be giving it a fairly high priority....
I'm also REALLY looking forward to Cassini making some better-than-voyager observations of Prometheus (closest so far is about 380,000K I believe). It's the only pre-2004 named moon not to have better coverage than voyager achieved. I'm convinced that this little 'coalescence of snowballs' holds some surprises for us. It seems to be the most intimately ring-associated moon, and the accretion processes are practically visible from frame to frame, when it dips into the inner reaches of the F-ring!! I suspect it will be very different to Atlas, with it's equatorial concretions when we finally get to see it up close. |
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Oct 23 2007, 07:22 PM
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There will be no observations of Prometheus near C/A. The phase angle at time is very high at the time of closest approach and there is a Saturn near-eclipse observation at the time.
-------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Oct 23 2007, 07:48 PM
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Yes, it's a shame VP but I live in hope for a close-up or two in the forseeable future....
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Oct 25 2007, 02:24 PM
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In case no one noticed... the Hyperion images are in:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/imag...4/N00094340.jpg |
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Oct 25 2007, 03:17 PM
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Oct 26 2007, 10:18 PM
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Oct 31 2007, 04:37 PM
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It's amazing how quickly one takes for granted a spacecraft with a decent camera in orbit around Saturn....
I remember as a teenager, poring over the Voyager images and itching to know what lay just past the terminator or over the horizon on some of these icy moons. I visited my local library and photocopied every available Voyager image (pretty slim pickings in most of the astronomy publications back then) The shots Ugordan has posted above although fairly distant, show territory East of Sabinus on Dione, and Penelope on Tethys that I would have paid a lot of money back then to have seen! The USGS maps that I have of the various icy moons now look quite quaint and dated compared to the Steve Albers (and others) versions now available - It's a great privilege to be along for the ride as these new territories are opened up to scrutiny, and to be party to some of the informed planetary geology discussions on this board. |
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Oct 31 2007, 07:47 PM
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They really do seem like different worlds. This is partly due to the fact that many of the Voyager images were quite distant and blown up to a ridiculous size. For example here is the best low-phase, complete global view of Dione, showing the "streaky" areas, shown at its original size. I have cleaned it up significantly. However, I have seen this picture in a book blown up to fill a 16x20 page, and without all the black area around it I have put here. Such grossly over-enlarged images give these moons a fuzzy, amorphous feel that Cassini has wiped away.
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Nov 8 2007, 08:39 AM
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The 'looking ahead' section on the ciclops page has been updated for the next revolution - imaging of Enceladus to scrutinise the polar plumes, Rhea from quite a distance, and some shots too of Anthe (I don't imagine these will be more than half a dozen or so pixels across at the most) Also, Saturn eclipses the sun in one of the sequences
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Nov 18 2007, 09:07 PM
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When are the new images scheduled to appear? Not being unpatient here, just feeling slightly uneasy due to the fact no new images were posted since Nov 11.
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Nov 20 2007, 11:04 AM
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When are the new images scheduled to appear? Not being unpatient here, just feeling slightly uneasy due to the fact no new images were posted since Nov 11. I've been wondering about this myself Ugordan. There's nothing in the recent 'significant events' pages to explain. It's easy to become accustomed to the excellent and timely posting of the raws that one starts to take the service for granted. When the raws page first appeared, it had some teething problems and delays as you'd expect (just after orbit insertion) Since then it's been exemplary. I must admit I live with a slight and constant fear of something catastrophic happening to Cassini out there to cut short the rest of the mission, and things like this are a worry. However I'm sure we'd have heard by now if Cassini had been incorporated into a hitherto unknown moon I believe it's the scariest day of the year for American turkeys on Thursday, so we may not know for a few more days yet.... |
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Nov 20 2007, 05:37 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3652 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
I must admit I live with a slight and constant fear of something catastrophic happening to Cassini out there to cut short the rest of the mission, and things like this are a worry. You can breathe a sigh of relief, new images are coming up on the raw site. Looks like everything's fine with the s/c, but the raw site had a hiccup - it's only just now catching up to the downlinked imagery from Nov 10. -------------------- |
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Nov 20 2007, 05:42 PM
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Actually, I would think that Thanksgiving is one of the happier days for turkeys: if they made it that far alive, they won't be food for the holidays. You may even get pardoned...
Yeah, T37 images are down. Move along. Nothing to see here -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Nov 20 2007, 06:30 PM
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Nov 20 2007, 06:37 PM
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Nov 20 2007, 06:54 PM
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Wow - that's gotta be very high on the list for shot of the year.
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Nov 20 2007, 06:54 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 3242 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
LOL yeah that's my desktop image of the day
-------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
The Gish Bar Times - A Blog all about Jupiter's Moon Io |
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Nov 20 2007, 07:18 PM
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Oh it's all happening now - nothing for a couple of weeks and then Bang!
Fantastic image of Mimas and the F ring! - they kept that one quiet!! Nice to see some opnavs of Epimetheus too - he gets his closeup in the next orbit. Very high phase angle at closest approach but less than 10,000km - should be a fantastic flyby. Anybody identified the Anthe shots yet??? |
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Nov 20 2007, 07:31 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 3242 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
LOL, it's not that we wanted to keep that quiet. That image is actually an opnav image and unfortunately my source for what images are coming up do not include the opnavs. Even though they use the camera system, the Imaging team doesn't plan them, the Navigation team does.
As far as Anthe goes, I *think* this is one of them: http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/imag...iImageID=136016 -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Nov 20 2007, 07:39 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3652 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
Flying by Rhea: http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/9/14/143...Rhea_200711.gif (1.8 megabyte).
There's a nice shot of Pan and the gravitational wakes, too: http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/imag...iImageID=135823 -------------------- |
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Nov 20 2007, 08:34 PM
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Flying by Rhea: http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/9/14/143...Rhea_200711.gif (1.8 megabyte). Thanks! That seems to show a similar angle to the Voyager crescent sequence, but with much better resolution. Here is a quick and dirty comparison. The Voyager shot is a somewhat smaller crescent, but close enough that it has the effect of revealing a relatively well known angle (thanks to the voyager shot) clearly for the first time. Always a neat experience.
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Nov 20 2007, 09:00 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3652 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
Wow, that really does looks similar. Sweet stuff, even the colors match up pretty well.
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Nov 20 2007, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE As far as Anthe goes, I *think* this is one of them: http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/imag...iImageID=136016 Hello Anthe! and welcome to the family! I think you're right VP - Images N00097699 to N00097701 show the object traversing the NAC FOV. Apparent diameter would seem to match what you'd expect for a ~2km object at this distance. Very cool to be seeing the (barely) resolved disk of an object only known for a few weeks. For the umpteenth time, hats off to the Cassini team for allowing us all to ride shotgun on this mission. |
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