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Oct 11 2007, 07:03 PM
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Now if I use IAS viewer just maybe we can find the mars 6 lander my eyes are straining already
http://hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu/PDS/EXTR...RED.abrowse.jpg I wonder if we know what the landing ellipse would have been or was intended to have been on this image? |
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Oct 22 2007, 07:56 AM
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Kenny, not bad thinking, but consider the variables: 1) The surface of Mars 6 has to be pretty clean and reflective, which is a random situation if possible at all by this time. 2) The illumination angle must be favorable to produce a specular reflection, and 3) MRO or another orbiter has to make a pass at exactly the right time of day (referenced to the surface) to detect that glint. Given the fact that we have no idea what the orientation (much less the condition) of Mars 6 might be, gotta give this strategy a low probabilty of success. Still, keep thinking! The geometry may not have to be as precise as you assume, nprev, because Mars 6 (or 3) is roughly spherical and metallic, and if it's clean it will be reflecting at just about every angle. This is quite unlike a flat sheet such as an Iridium solar panel which generates very narrow angle flares from sunlight, if you're familiar with those. So that characteristic of a metal sphere might take care of your points 2) and 3) somewhat, but we're still left with 1) as a big issue, I agree. |
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Oct 22 2007, 08:04 AM
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roughly spherical and metallic, http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/Master...og?sc=1971-049F I find it almost impossible to believe that that could be identified unambiguously as being different from any medium sized rock. Given the near invisibility of one of the two Viking parachutes - the chances of finding a 'region' to look at are not great, and the chance of finding the lander within that region are very low. I wouldn't get your hopes up. Doug |
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infocat13 Mars 6 site (possible) Oct 11 2007, 07:03 PM
Phil Stooke We don't have figures for target ellipse size ... Oct 11 2007, 07:55 PM
nprev Yeah...hate to say it, but I'm almost convince... Oct 11 2007, 09:21 PM
mchan QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 11 2007, 02:21 PM) Yea... Oct 12 2007, 06:08 AM
Decepticon If it is found it would be awesome!
Somethin... Oct 12 2007, 01:28 AM
PDP8E I Googled dust storms on mars and after a few hour... Oct 12 2007, 02:13 PM
djellison QUOTE (PDP8E @ Oct 12 2007, 03:13 PM) Evi... Oct 12 2007, 04:09 PM
nprev You could well be right, PDP; I hope so! Unf... Oct 12 2007, 04:02 PM
PDP8E Hey Doug, I guess I should have said 'selectiv... Oct 12 2007, 08:40 PM
kenny The Mars 6 combined lander and bus is said to be 2... Oct 12 2007, 10:01 PM
djellison The size and shape (and with dust, the colour) of ... Oct 12 2007, 10:52 PM
kenny Well, maybe more like a middling sized rock, rathe... Oct 14 2007, 01:18 PM
infocat13 QUOTE (infocat13 @ Oct 11 2007, 03:03 PM)... Oct 17 2007, 07:28 PM
Phil Stooke The only reason we can identify the Viking landers... Oct 17 2007, 10:47 PM
tuvas QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Oct 17 2007, 03:47 P... Oct 21 2007, 02:36 PM
nprev QUOTE (tuvas @ Oct 21 2007, 07:36 AM) Mar... Oct 21 2007, 02:45 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (tuvas @ Oct 21 2007, 02:36 PM) Mar... Oct 21 2007, 05:23 PM
kenny Just another thought on this....
If the Soviet Ma... Oct 20 2007, 09:31 PM
dvandorn 99.99 percent of dust movement on the Martian surf... Oct 21 2007, 04:34 AM
nprev Kenny, not bad thinking, but consider the variable... Oct 21 2007, 05:04 AM
tedstryk We have a better chance of finding Mars 3, since i... Oct 21 2007, 12:38 PM
kenny Doug, the photo you link to above, being color, is... Oct 22 2007, 12:00 PM
tim53 Both the Mars 3 and Mars 6 landing ellipses are th... Oct 24 2007, 07:19 PM
Geert In 'The difficult road to Mars' V.G. Permi... Jun 6 2008, 05:57 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (Geert @ Jun 6 2008, 06:57 AM) We w... Jun 6 2008, 12:09 PM
Geert QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jun 6 2008, 07:09 PM) I... Jun 7 2008, 02:06 AM
tedstryk Yes, we do. There was Doppler tracking all the wa... Jun 7 2008, 02:48 AM
Geert QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jun 7 2008, 09:48 AM) Y... Jun 7 2008, 07:56 AM
Zvezdichko Ted, you said that Mars 7 sent back some scientifi... Jun 7 2008, 11:14 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 7 2008, 12:14 PM)... Jun 7 2008, 01:35 PM![]() ![]() |
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