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post Nov 11 2007, 09:53 AM
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http://www.newscientist.com/blog/space/200...ever-flown.html
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post Nov 12 2007, 06:19 AM
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The problem with this concept is not just that we're comparing apples and oranges -- we're comparing apples, oranges, bananas, pears, strawberries and kumquats.

Apples: Doing *anything* first earns you a special place in a list like this -- which is why the lack of Luna 9, Lunar Orbiter 1, Luna 16 and Lunakhod 1 are somewhat glaring. Sounds like the author of the piece just plain isn't interested in the Moon, and therefore delegates lunar probes to a back seat. In a time when Apollo hadn't happened, the first good images of the Moon from the surface and from orbit were powerful, compelling, and scientifically important. There are tons more of these in this category -- Mariners 2, 4, 9 and 10, Lunas 2 and 3, Surveyor V... and many more than don't come to mind at the moment.

Oranges: Making major discoveries certainly distinguishes a mission. The Voyagers, Mariner 2 and Cassini certainly stand out in this category. So do the MERs. The Viking landers aren't at the head of this list, though -- they belong in the Apples group, but while they returned a lot of interesting data (and some great images), they didn't make any amazing new discoveries about the Martian surface. We already knew it was iron and sulphur rich, and there was nothing particularly surprising about finding a lot of iron-rich lavas covered with sulphate salts. The hydration/oxygenation in some of the materials was predictable, so even its (somewhat ambiguous) discovery wasn't all that much of a major thing. Mariner 9 and the Viking orbiters told us more about Mars than the landers did.

Bananas: Observing stars (our own and others) and celestial phenomenah is worth a mention, too. From OAO to WMAP, from OSO to Ulysses to SOHO, from Compton to Hubble to Spitzer -- these deserve recognition as great probes, too.

Pears: Missions that provide a (for want of a better term) spiritual satisfaction deserve a special category. The first views of a full Earth, the oblique view of Copernicus from L.O. 2, the first views from the surfaces of the Moon and Mars, the view of backlit Saturn and its rings in all their glories -- these are views that nourish the human spirit's need to explore. Almost every good mission has provided this to one degree or another... but some more than others.

Strawberries: Almost every mission returns more data than the last one. As time and technology progress, each new spacecraft is more capable than the last, each can return more data than the last, each is more productive than the last. By this standard, the most outstanding mission flown is usually the most recent one accomplished. (Differences in scope between Flagship missions, Discovery missions, etc., notwithstanding, that is.)

Kumquats: There is something to be said for the inherent interest generated by the body or bodies being studied or probed. If you feel that icy moons are inherently more interesting than rocky bodies, then you're going to be interested in Voyager, Galileo and Cassini data more than in Viking or Luna data... now, in my mind, there is no such thing as an uninteresting Solar System body, so I tend to discount this category as being much of an overall criterion. But that's me.

So -- maybe we ought to be nominating missions in categories like the ones above, rather than in an overall "10 Best" kind of format...? rolleyes.gif

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- PhilCo126   Greatest Unmanned space probes !   Nov 11 2007, 09:53 AM
- - djellison   LOL - a Top 10 that includes 15 spacecraft Doug   Nov 11 2007, 09:55 AM
- - Paolo   WHAT!?!? no Giotto?   Nov 11 2007, 10:08 AM
- - PhilCo126   Well, my favorites are those who made it to the ou...   Nov 11 2007, 10:15 AM
- - djellison   No Giotto, no MGS, no Stardust, no Deep Impact, no...   Nov 11 2007, 10:16 AM
|- - Sunspot   QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 11 2007, 10:16 AM)...   Nov 11 2007, 03:31 PM
- - ElkGroveDan   I have a special fondness for MGS.   Nov 11 2007, 03:44 PM
- - nprev   For real. It's all really subjective, though. ...   Nov 11 2007, 03:55 PM
- - PhilCo126   Well, if this succeeds it will certainly be great:   Nov 11 2007, 05:32 PM
|- - Bjorn Jonsson   The Voyagers are definitely #1 but there are other...   Nov 12 2007, 12:39 AM
- - dvandorn   The problem with this concept is not just that we...   Nov 12 2007, 06:19 AM
|- - AndyG   My particular favourite banana is Hipparcos. Andy   Nov 12 2007, 09:48 AM
|- - rlorenz   QUOTE (dvandorn @ Nov 12 2007, 01:19 AM) ...   Nov 13 2007, 11:24 AM
- - PhilCo126   Well, my favorites go something like this: Sun – ...   Nov 12 2007, 06:46 PM
- - nprev   oDoug nailed it; there's just no way to do a m...   Nov 12 2007, 08:09 PM
|- - climber   QUOTE (nprev @ Nov 12 2007, 09:09 PM) Now...   Nov 12 2007, 08:54 PM
|- - Mongo   QUOTE (climber @ Nov 12 2007, 08:54 PM) H...   Nov 13 2007, 03:24 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (Mongo @ Nov 12 2007, 07:24 PM) Jap...   Nov 13 2007, 04:16 AM
|- - Mongo   QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Nov 13 2007, 04:16 A...   Nov 13 2007, 04:17 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (Mongo @ Nov 12 2007, 08:17 PM) Thi...   Nov 13 2007, 04:21 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (Mongo @ Nov 12 2007, 08:17 PM) Thi...   Nov 13 2007, 01:17 PM
- - climber   I very much agree with "the other Doug"....   Nov 12 2007, 08:51 PM
- - JRehling   Before I looked, I also put Voyager and Viking in ...   Nov 13 2007, 04:57 AM
- - dvandorn   Great list, Mongo! A few updates, of course.....   Nov 13 2007, 06:02 AM
- - NMRguy   I was thinking of a few others that didn't mak...   Nov 13 2007, 08:39 AM
- - djellison   Stereo may well become great - but I don't thi...   Nov 13 2007, 09:18 AM
|- - NMRguy   QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 13 2007, 10:18 AM)...   Nov 13 2007, 12:26 PM
- - peter59   Sorry, but Zond 8 was a very successful mission (Z...   Nov 13 2007, 10:43 AM
- - nprev   Maybe that's the right question to ask: What h...   Nov 13 2007, 12:42 PM
- - Mongo   While rooting through my document folders, I came ...   Nov 13 2007, 04:03 PM
- - PhilCo126   Nice listing Bill, after 31 years I can finally sa...   Nov 13 2007, 05:34 PM
- - climber   Bill, what do you mean by Lunar Orbiter 1 in 1977 ...   Nov 13 2007, 08:26 PM
|- - Mongo   QUOTE (climber @ Nov 13 2007, 08:26 PM) B...   Nov 13 2007, 08:53 PM
- - PhilCo126   nice digital versions: http://www.celestiamotherlo...   Jan 19 2008, 06:58 PM
- - jasedm   IMO Voyager 2 alone is at number one, and the Voya...   Jan 19 2008, 08:21 PM


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