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36 years on Mars, Mars 3 anniversary
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post Dec 14 2007, 03:51 PM
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A brief scan of the web turned up these images of the MARS 3 lander in a Moscow Museum

the cameras are on the top (there were two, I believe...
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Here is the ship with lander in the aeroshell
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post Dec 15 2007, 08:18 AM
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QUOTE (PDP8E @ Dec 14 2007, 04:51 PM) *
A brief scan of the web turned up these images of the MARS 3 lander in a Moscow Museum

the cameras are on the top (there were two, I believe...


Yes, there were two of them, and the black box visible on top is the amazing PrOP-M walking minirover


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post Dec 15 2007, 05:54 PM
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Thanks for sharing those photos and only the black & white photo shows the arm which deployed the PrOP-M, which was a small tethered rover at the end of an arm on these Soviet-Russian Mars pod landers which were based on the Luna 9 four-petalled opening/righting mechanism!
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post Dec 16 2007, 08:36 PM
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We have had 8 more inches of snow today on top of the 10 inches from a few days ago...
...so I was shovelling the driveway and heaving snow and then watching it roll down if i didn't get it over the top of the heap...

I am putting a stake in the ground: based on the proximity of all landers to craters and then Oppy actually rolling into one, I speculate that the Mars 3 is tipped over in the bottom a crater. probably not a very deep one, but I conjecture it caught the slope and rolled over to the bottom. The picture I call 'the most probable' would then show the view at the bottom of a crater with undisturbed and disturbed soil (e.g. Oppy's airbag prints, MER tracks in general, -etc). Now if the HiRise guys just listened to my instructions on how to snap a picture of Mars 3, we will all have a wonderful Christmas present laugh.gif rolleyes.gif huh.gif


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post Dec 16 2007, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (PDP8E @ Dec 12 2007, 07:57 PM) *
Some other points to consider:
- Soviet experts (early 1970s) agreed that this image was just noise.
- The camera’s longer axis should be the vertical axis of the image – making interpretation 1, 2, and 3, scenes from a craft lying on its side.
- The landing was during a regional/global dust storm
- The available lighting was supposedly 50lux (low lighting)

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Dear PDP8 : agreed !
Here are the original "data" in better format + its stretched on its good vertical axis.
The resulting "noise", processed this way, could easily be interpreted as a dark surface seen under a dusty sky with the Sun being hidden by the camera cover just outside the left of the "picture"... If this is indeed an "image"... If the Mars 3 s/c worked well until reaching the surface... If this successful 20 sec data is not Soviet propaganda... Too many "ifs" !!!
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post Dec 3 2009, 10:06 PM
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Happy MARS 3 Landing Anniversary (well, yesterday: Dec 2, 1971 -- Dec 2, 2009)

It has now been 38 years and only one HiRise image of the neighborhood!

We shall find you yet!

Cheers

(this thread is 2 years old...yikes!)


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post Apr 19 2011, 03:54 PM
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Resurrecting an old thread... but it seems better than starting a new one, especially because the images are just above this post... I just had one of those epiphany things.

I was looking at this:

http://www.mrc.uidaho.edu/entryws/full/pro...e_detailed.html

(Presentation 1.41 about Venera probes, but it also covers Mars 3 and Mars 6). A picture and diagram of Mars 3 shows the dual camera system - it had two cameras like Luna 13, not one camera like Luna 9. But the Luna 13 panoramic image starts with a messy area which is really a closeup of the second camera (which failed to operate). Is this what is being viewed in the fragment of a panorama from Mars 3? In this view it would be real image data, but useless - if the Luna 13 image is anything to go by it's not a reflection of the surface of Mars in the camera body. But it might explain what is being seen.

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post Nov 29 2011, 11:06 PM
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My congratulations on forthcoming anniversary landings to Mars of Mars 3 lander! 40 years of silence and riddles.

This photo is made in the beginning of this year in Memorial Astronautics Museum in Moscow

Other photos on a site http://mars71.ru/fotos.php
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post Mar 18 2013, 07:52 PM
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a picture of a Mars-71 lander during impact tests

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post Apr 11 2013, 05:15 PM
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Mars 3 hardware may have been spotted in some HiRISE images. The parachute and heatshield look convincing to me.

http://www.uahirise.org/ESP_031036_1345


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post Apr 11 2013, 06:17 PM
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Very nice ohmy.gif

"Philip J. Stooke from the University of West Ontario, Canada, suggested the direction of search and offered helpful advice. Arnold Selivanov (one of the creators of Mars 3) and Vladimir Molodtsov (an engineer at NPO Lavochkin, Moscow) helped with access to data archives. " smile.gif

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA16920
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post Apr 11 2013, 07:39 PM
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I've read the text and found that they did their homework well, with models of what each component would look like etc. Good job.

But the fact that the images do leave room for other interpretations leaves me still hesitant.

Yet if the further studies they mention do show that this is the real thing I do say congratulations to Vitali Egorov, Alexander Basilevsky and others for the detective work of locating Mars 3!




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post Apr 11 2013, 11:04 PM
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I did offer some advice on this, though I had nothing to do with finding the objects in the image. But I don't actually see that reference to me in any of the links.

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post Apr 11 2013, 11:11 PM
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It's the 2nd paragraph from bottom on this page; weird how many repeat 'home pages' there are for missions.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/news/mro2013411.html
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post Apr 12 2013, 12:47 AM
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One similar feature would be easy to explain away; several anomalous ones together, much less so, IMO.

If they found this, I can only smile and clap. smile.gif Amazing work, amazing crowdsourcing.


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