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Dec 5 2007, 06:47 AM
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40 days and counting. The long wait is almost over!
I wonder whether we will get enough data to test new simulation theories like this one. http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19...solar-wind.html What do you expect from this first flyby? |
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Dec 23 2007, 12:10 AM
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Outreach is certainly part of the mission selection process. However, the rapid release of raw imagery in the MER/Cassini style is certainly not 'virtually free'. Just ask their web teams how much bandwidth they get through.
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Dec 23 2007, 01:38 PM
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Just ask their web teams how much bandwidth they get through. If it was purely a matter of bandwidth, I would expect they could get google to host for free. (I say google in particular because they most clearly among the internet giants display the attitude of being happy to undertake even expensive projects just to advance their image of being the premier repository of human knowledge, and they show a particular interest in helping the scientific community.) Of course, there are expenses to have a web team at all. Still I think this kind of decision doesn't really come down to money. The PI and core science team have a strong motivation to try to maximize the amount of scientific credit they personally get, and openness with data is viewed as decreasing their advantage over competing scientists. I think that is still the real story. |
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Dec 23 2007, 07:49 PM
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The PI and core science team have a strong motivation to try to maximize the amount of scientific credit they personally get, and openness with data is viewed as decreasing their advantage over competing scientists. I think that is still the real story. That's probably true, and a good way of addressing it would be to determine whether anyone on the Cassini team has lost credit for something because of the existence of the Raw Images page. If that hasn't happened, the Messenger team could rest a bit easier about it. In addition, I don't recall having seen anything on UMSF that would indicate that our discussions here had taken anything away from the Cassini team. There have been a few occasions when things got posted and discussed here before they showed up on the Cassini web site, or in a conference abstract volume. These included the re-discovery of the ring spokes, and the changes in the D Ring. That didn't seem to have any really serious negative ramifications. It's probably inevitable that, sooner or later, someone is going to try to jump the gun and take advantage of one of the Raw Images pages. But then they'd have to try to get it through peer review and that could pose problems for them. Anyone remember those guys who claimed to have found pools of water on Mars the other year?... |
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MarsIsImportant Mercury Flyby 1 Dec 5 2007, 06:47 AM
As old as Voyager Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing MESS... Dec 5 2007, 10:04 AM
monitorlizard [.....]
I think the most exciting thing we have s... Dec 5 2007, 10:06 AM
edstrick Mariner 10 had terribly limited color imaging.. Or... Dec 6 2007, 09:27 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (edstrick @ Dec 6 2007, 09:27 AM) H... Dec 6 2007, 12:33 PM
MarsIsImportant From wikipedia...
QUOTE The mission is designed t... Dec 10 2007, 08:01 PM
JRehling [...] Dec 10 2007, 10:51 PM
nprev The most exciting features I could anticipate migh... Dec 11 2007, 01:41 AM
Holder of the Two Leashes I expect the magnetometer data to provide some hel... Dec 11 2007, 03:28 AM
IM4 Simple Celestia perspective : Mercury as seen aft... Dec 11 2007, 07:08 PM
MarsIsImportant This is an animation of the January 14th, 2008 Mes... Dec 14 2007, 04:19 AM
JRehling [...] Dec 14 2007, 04:47 AM
MarsIsImportant Well, it has been about 33 years since the last me... Dec 15 2007, 08:33 PM
Rob Pinnegar Yeah, that magnetic field is sure to be one of the... Dec 15 2007, 11:13 PM
JRehling [...] Dec 16 2007, 04:42 AM
Rob Pinnegar Actually, my first guess is that Mercury's slo... Dec 16 2007, 05:53 PM
peter59 MESSENGER’s nineteenth trajectory-correction maneu... Dec 20 2007, 06:53 PM
peter59 New animation of MESSENGER's flyby of Mercury ... Dec 21 2007, 06:06 PM
tedstryk Sweet! Dec 21 2007, 06:09 PM
ugordan Wow, that's going to be a LOT of frames!
... Dec 21 2007, 06:43 PM
volcanopele Very nice! Looks like there will some very ni... Dec 21 2007, 06:42 PM
volcanopele LOL, I've been working on image processing for... Dec 21 2007, 07:14 PM
tedstryk I am looking forward to seeing the rest of Caloris... Dec 21 2007, 08:12 PM
4th rock from the sun QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 21 2007, 08:12 PM) ... Dec 22 2007, 03:33 PM
MarsIsImportant Wow! There will be a lot more visual camera m... Dec 22 2007, 06:33 AM
edstrick "...all of which add up to the magnetic field... Dec 22 2007, 11:54 AM
CAP-Team I'm curious who'll post the first new map ... Dec 22 2007, 03:05 PM
nprev ...we should start a pool! UMSF's imagesmi... Dec 22 2007, 03:23 PM
ugordan QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 22 2007, 04:23 PM) I... Dec 22 2007, 03:35 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (ugordan @ Dec 22 2007, 09:35 AM) .... Dec 22 2007, 11:55 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (algorimancer @ Dec 22 2007, 03:55 ... Dec 23 2007, 10:56 PM
nprev Didn't forget; actually, never knew. Bummer. Dec 22 2007, 03:37 PM
Doc QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 22 2007, 06:37 PM) Did... Dec 24 2007, 10:14 AM
peter59 QUOTE (Doc @ Dec 24 2007, 11:14 AM) Howev... Dec 29 2007, 03:37 PM
Phil Stooke No, but any press release mosaics etc. could be re... Dec 22 2007, 10:12 PM
JRehling [...] Dec 22 2007, 10:44 PM
elakdawalla In terms of when images get released, a lot depend... Dec 22 2007, 10:57 PM
nprev Yeah...it's easy to forget that it takes a lot... Dec 23 2007, 02:18 AM
MarsIsImportant If we are not pushy and the Messenger team knows a... Dec 23 2007, 06:20 AM
scalbers Wonder if any images will be shown at this public ... Dec 24 2007, 11:00 PM
gcecil QUOTE (scalbers @ Dec 24 2007, 06:00 PM) ... Dec 25 2007, 10:42 PM
simonbp QUOTE (gcecil @ Dec 25 2007, 04:42 PM) Up... Jan 2 2008, 09:49 PM
CAP-Team Does anyone know what the field of view of the Nar... Dec 29 2007, 09:50 AM
elakdawalla QUOTE (CAP-Team @ Dec 29 2007, 01:50... Dec 29 2007, 05:03 PM
CAP-Team Based on Emily's data, this is how Messenger s... Dec 29 2007, 11:21 PM
gcecil Can someone here please point me to updating orbit... Jan 2 2008, 01:02 PM
elakdawalla Does JPL's HORIZONS system give you what you... Jan 2 2008, 06:07 PM
gcecil QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 2 2008, 01:07 PM... Jan 2 2008, 11:24 PM
ustrax We're back...
http://spaceurope.blogspot.c... Jan 4 2008, 10:40 PM
Phil Stooke Some new visualizations are up on the MESSENGER pa... Jan 5 2008, 09:10 PM
ustrax QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jan 5 2008, 09:10 PM... Jan 5 2008, 10:36 PM
NMRguy MESSENGER Mission News
January 7, 2008
MESSENGER O... Jan 7 2008, 04:46 PM
PhilCo126 Any chance they'll show something on NASA.TV ? Jan 8 2008, 04:32 PM
NMRguy Apparently they will. Here's a link to the sc... Jan 8 2008, 04:55 PM
NMRguy MESSENGER Mission News
January 8, 2008
Six Days fr... Jan 8 2008, 08:15 PM
JRehling [...] Jan 8 2008, 08:50 PM
Stu While we wait for new images to start coming in, I... Jan 8 2008, 11:08 PM
Stu Can someone help me get oriented here? I've al... Jan 8 2008, 11:41 PM
lyford n00b question -
How does a spacecraft like Messe... Jan 8 2008, 11:44 PM
Ian R Stu,
Check out the screenshot I've culled fro... Jan 9 2008, 12:04 AM
JRehling [...] Jan 9 2008, 12:10 AM
Stu Thanks guys, exactly what I wanted. Knew I could c... Jan 9 2008, 12:12 AM
edstrick This will give a rather poor, high-sun-angle view ... Jan 9 2008, 10:09 AM
ustrax Great explanation by Noam Izenberg about what will... Jan 9 2008, 05:52 PM
elakdawalla MESSENGER Team Receives First Optical Navigation I... Jan 9 2008, 08:03 PM
nprev I was gonna say "odd", but that's co... Jan 9 2008, 09:48 PM
CAP-Team The NAC images should look something like this:
Jan 9 2008, 10:03 PM
ustrax We have an happy team over there...Ralph McNutt wo... Jan 10 2008, 03:41 PM
Stu I know that at least one of the MESSENGER team has... Jan 10 2008, 04:27 PM
ustrax MERCURY AHEAD!!! Jan 10 2008, 06:02 PM
elakdawalla Press conference graphics Jan 10 2008, 06:04 PM
PDP8E Here is the output of my hand written trajectory s... Jan 10 2008, 06:23 PM
belleraphon1 Mercury Ahead indeed.
Really looking forward to ... Jan 10 2008, 10:56 PM
Holder of the Two Leashes Those press conference graphics that Emily linked ... Jan 10 2008, 11:10 PM
nprev Yeah (sigh)...I'm hoping that the spacebug gen... Jan 10 2008, 11:15 PM
Holder of the Two Leashes I've noticed on the animations that some of th... Jan 10 2008, 11:48 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Jan 10 200... Jan 10 2008, 11:54 PM
gcecil QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jan 10 2008, 06:54 PM) ... Jan 11 2008, 01:03 AM
elakdawalla I think also it was easier for them to sequence, a... Jan 11 2008, 12:05 AM
JRehling [...] Jan 11 2008, 12:16 AM
elakdawalla QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 10 2008, 04:16 PM) ... Jan 11 2008, 04:31 AM
nprev That would be fascinating, but got my doubts. I... Jan 11 2008, 01:59 AM
volcanopele Excellent. All future communications from me will... Jan 11 2008, 05:30 AM
stevesliva Me
.oot Jan 11 2008, 05:40 AM
peter59 New image snapped with the Narrow Angle Camera, on... Jan 11 2008, 05:11 PM
tedstryk Here is a new version of the first image. The pro... Jan 11 2008, 05:19 PM
Bjorn Jonsson Getting closer. Hints of relief/craters visible, e... Jan 11 2008, 05:20 PM
ugordan Interesting, it's just starting to show irregu... Jan 11 2008, 05:23 PM
volcanopele LOL, looks like we all had the same idea. So far ... Jan 11 2008, 05:50 PM
tedstryk I processed both of them now.
Jan 11 2008, 06:08 PM
climber Not my idea actualy, but I hope Nasa will name a y... Jan 11 2008, 07:59 PM
tedstryk Looks like our Poet Laureate has given voice to ou... Jan 11 2008, 09:13 PM
ustrax HOO-RAH!!! Jan 11 2008, 09:24 PM
n1ckdrake Beautiful poem. Congrats Stu! Jan 11 2008, 09:44 PM
Stu Thanks! I'm almost embarrassingly chuff... Jan 11 2008, 09:55 PM
belleraphon1 Stu.... very nice...
You give value to all of us... Jan 12 2008, 12:10 AM
nprev Let me add my congratulations, Stu; that's jus... Jan 12 2008, 01:04 AM![]() ![]() |
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