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Dec 20 2007, 07:04 PM
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Given the recent news that Cassini will lose some data during the Phoenix landing due to contention for DNS access:
http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...ic=4831&hl= It seemed reasonable to create a topic to discuss where the DNS might be going. Jasedm suggested a relay station at the Earth-Sun L2 point, which I think might be discussing (despite the expense) assuming the relay station could use laser communication with space probes, while beaming data to Earth via microwaves. I know that experiments with laser communications were part of the now-abandoned Mars Telecommunications Orbiter, and I know that there was even a recent laser experiment involving Mercury Messenger. http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/060104_laser_comm.html These seem intended to support laser communications with ground-based receivers, though -- something that seems much too risky if remote space probes can't store days of data allowing for multiple retries. Obviously a relay station would have its own risks -- you'd probably need two for redundancy -- and it'd be fabulously expensive, but it might also include quite a few savings as well. I've looked for figures for what the DSN costs to run, but I haven't found them yet. Not sure how large a part of a given mission (if any) is charged to the DSN, but it seems to me that a relay satellite ought to be a good bit cheaper to operate, and for far higher bandwidth. Also, a laser transmitter ought to be lighter and consume less power than an equivalent microwave transmitter. That alone could result in huge savings for outer-system missions. The only time I saw a serious proposal for a laser-to-satellite communications system was in a description of options for the "Grand Tour" that later became Voyager. (Assuming that counts as serious.) :-) With DSN needing more and more maintenance, I wonder if anyone is seriously considering laser for the future. --Greg |
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Greg Hullender Communications Strategies Dec 20 2007, 07:04 PM
nprev I proposed relay sats at the Earth-Sun L2 & L4... Dec 20 2007, 07:29 PM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 20 2007, 02:29 PM) I p... Jan 8 2008, 04:29 AM
Greg Hullender Why would you have inverse exponential losses? On... Dec 21 2007, 12:28 AM
nprev IIRC, most of the losses occurred as a result of b... Dec 21 2007, 01:29 AM
tasp Additional ground stations at, let's say, Samo... Dec 21 2007, 04:32 AM
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djellison QUOTE (jasedm @ Jan 7 2008, 07:00 PM) mai... Jan 7 2008, 10:05 PM
nprev QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 7 2008, 02:05 PM) ... Jan 8 2008, 03:17 AM
elakdawalla Space relays aren't the next step; large array... Jan 7 2008, 07:14 PM
Greg Hullender Need maintenance be such a problem? Commerical co... Jan 8 2008, 04:45 AM
djellison QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Jan 8 2008, 04:45... Jan 8 2008, 08:23 AM
cndwrld If money was no object, the best thing would be to... Jan 8 2008, 07:44 AM
edstrick "...In my experience, we don't need new s... Jan 8 2008, 09:41 AM
jasedm QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 8 2008, 09:41 AM) ... Jan 15 2008, 07:08 PM
Doc I believe that in the end the simplest thing to do... Jan 8 2008, 10:42 AM
edstrick My crusting over memory cells fail me at the momen... Jan 16 2008, 09:07 AM
nprev Probably the only argument that really has a chanc... Jan 17 2008, 01:09 AM
helvick I've wondered before if the technologies and t... Jan 17 2008, 09:23 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (helvick @ Jan 17 2008, 01:23 AM) I... Jan 18 2008, 06:34 AM
Greg Hullender I'm still thinking we just want to lobby for a... Jan 17 2008, 02:33 PM
djellison A reception facility for optical comms isn't a... Jan 17 2008, 02:43 PM
Greg Hullender Didn't mean to trivialize the problem. Obviou... Jan 17 2008, 05:48 PM
dvandorn I still have this image in my head of an antenna f... Jan 18 2008, 05:56 AM
edstrick "...still have this image in my head of an an... Jan 18 2008, 08:20 AM
helvick QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 18 2008, 08:20 AM) ... Jan 18 2008, 09:05 AM
edstrick Exactly. And 34 of those -- with sufficient smart... Jan 18 2008, 09:11 AM![]() ![]() |
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