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Heat-free Titan balloning?, one more for the wild ideas box |
Jan 11 2008, 03:59 PM
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Thinking about all that methane rain descending on Titan's south pole, draining out into Mezzoramia and then - who knows where? - set me wondering . .
IF it seeps through a porous material it could possibly warm up at depth and re-emerge gradually at the surface as methane gas. This could be a peaceful process, like the emission of methane from a terrestrial marsh (or rubbish tip) rather than anything sudden or localised. Now suppose a large sheet of impermeable material is simply laid over the ground in such a place it might begin to trap methane underneath and become buoyant. Something like this is maybe what starts mid-latitude convection cells. Could it be possible to harness the phenomenon to lift balloons? Relatively cool balloons, smaller heat loss problems, very low power requirements. With a nitrogen atmosphere and methane both readily available on Earth the technology could be tested here. |
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Jan 15 2008, 01:24 PM
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Balloons are fine but has there been any talk on the prospects of using plane probes. That in my opinion is the final frontier of planetary exploration. An ariel surveyor is a tantalizing approach.
The same technology used for probing hurricanes can be used to perform such a project. Mars is suitable for the first approach. Then Venus, Titan and then who knows where. The technology is available. It is only a matter of willingness. http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2005/s2508.htm -------------------- |
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Jan 15 2008, 03:47 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2173 Joined: 28-December 04 From: Florida, USA Member No.: 132 |
...the prospects of using plane probes.... To me, an autonomous plane seems much more complicated and prone to mission-ending mishaps than a balloon. I'd rather see the lion's share of the engineering costs going into the instruments rather than the platform. edit: Remember Huygens? During it's descent it was flipped around violently and somehow ended up rotating in the opposite direction it was designed to. (Did they ever figure that one out?) How would an autonomous plane handle those circumstances! |
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Jan 15 2008, 04:02 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2173 Joined: 28-December 04 From: Florida, USA Member No.: 132 |
Another advantage of balloon over plane on Titan:
At the tail end of Huygens' descent, the probe reversed course on it's ground course. As far as I know that was unexpected and unexplained. There is a lot of mystery in the winds of titan. A balloon could help study wind behavior at various elevations. To a balloon, Titan's winds are a natural object of study. To a plane, they are a hazard. |
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ngunn Heat-free Titan balloning? Jan 11 2008, 03:59 PM
rlorenz QUOTE (ngunn @ Jan 11 2008, 10:59 AM) Thi... Jan 11 2008, 04:24 PM
ngunn I agree absolutely this is not a serious suggestio... Jan 12 2008, 10:06 PM
rlorenz QUOTE (ngunn @ Jan 12 2008, 05:06 PM) And... Jan 13 2008, 02:42 PM
ngunn QUOTE (rlorenz @ Jan 13 2008, 02:42 PM) A... Jan 13 2008, 09:42 PM

JRehling Keep in mind that 10K above normal means about 10%... Jan 14 2008, 06:19 PM

ngunn QUOTE (JRehling @ Jan 14 2008, 06:19 PM) ... Jan 14 2008, 09:52 PM
Greg Hullender Ralph: Just read your paper on hot air balloons on... Jan 14 2008, 11:52 PM

rlorenz QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jan 15 2008, 11:02... Jan 15 2008, 04:15 PM

centsworth_II QUOTE (rlorenz @ Jan 15 2008, 11:15 AM) T... Jan 15 2008, 04:40 PM

centsworth_II I'm sure someone must have mentioned the obvio... Jan 15 2008, 04:48 PM

ngunn QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jan 15 2008, 04:48... Jan 15 2008, 08:18 PM
rlorenz QUOTE (Doc @ Jan 15 2008, 08:24 AM) Ballo... Jan 15 2008, 04:07 PM
djellison What can a plane do, that an orbiter can't do ... Jan 15 2008, 01:58 PM
Greg Hullender I know that for Microsoft Virtual Earth we were un... Jan 15 2008, 02:10 PM
djellison I can partially agree with that - the 25cm GetMapp... Jan 15 2008, 02:16 PM![]() ![]() |
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