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Jan 27 2008, 04:47 AM
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Just read at MSNBC that a large U.S. spy satellite will hit Earth by the end of February or early March.
Better keep our hard hats ready??? Here is the article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22857051/ |
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Feb 19 2008, 11:10 AM
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http://spaceweather.com/ (19. Feb) reports that rumor has it that the US Navy may make its first attempt to hit USA 193 this Wednesday evening as the satellite passes over the Pacific Ocean. Because of Ted Molczan has drawn attention to a NOTAM issued by the US Government that might point to a possible ASAT attempt on USA 193 on Feb 21, between 2:30 and 5:00 UTC.
If they hit exactly the tank with the hydrazine, at that great combined speed, I would think the missile (without a warhead) penetrates the tank and maybe other parts entirely without larger impact on the orbit of the rest of the satellite. -------------------- |
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Feb 19 2008, 04:28 PM
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If they hit exactly the tank with the hydrazine, at that great combined speed, I would think the missile (without a warhead) penetrates the tank and maybe other parts entirely without larger impact on the orbit of the rest of the satellite. As we all know it's all about mass and velocity. If that impactor arcs up and strikes the satellite at a high velocity opposite to the direction of travel then it will indeed impact the orbit of the doomed satellite. I suspect that this is part of the plan, or if not it has been calculated for. Not knowing the impactor mass and it's expected impact velocity it would be difficult for us to even pencil it out here, but the orbital effect will be significant (with a small number on the mass side of the equation, but a very large multiplier on the velocity side.) -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Feb 19 2008, 06:45 PM
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As we all know it's all about mass and velocity. If that impactor arcs up and strikes the satellite at a high velocity opposite to the direction of travel then it will indeed impact the orbit of the doomed satellite. I suspect that this is part of the plan, or if not it has been calculated for. Not knowing the impactor mass and it's expected impact velocity it would be difficult for us to even pencil it out here, but the orbital effect will be significant (with a small number on the mass side of the equation, but a very large multiplier on the velocity side.) The impactor's velocity is not really part of the "equation", it could be zero. The bulk of the energy is from the satellite. The velocity differences are on the order of several km/sec. The impactor just has to get in the path of the satellite at the right time. Sort of like throwing up a baseball glove to knock down a fly ball. |
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Feb 19 2008, 08:42 PM
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I get your point, but come on now there is no such thing as a zero velocity except with respect to another body. If the velocity is zero with respect to the satellite then there will be no damage (and no impact for that matter). Even if the impactor is moving in the same direction of travel, albeit slower, its momentum must be factored in to the final momentum of the system after the impact. And in every instance I can imagine, the result will be greater decay in the orbit of the satellite and it's fragments.
-------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Feb 20 2008, 12:49 AM
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I get your point, but come on now there is no such thing as a zero velocity except with respect to another body. If the velocity is zero with respect to the satellite then there will be no damage (and no impact for that matter). Didn't say with respect to the satellite , I was referring with respect to the earth (basically hovering) |
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Bobby Spy Satellite to Hit Earth by late February to March Jan 27 2008, 04:47 AM
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ElkGroveDan Of course there's the obligatory sensational A... Jan 27 2008, 03:58 PM
nprev Cosmos 954 was the first thing I thought of as wel... Jan 28 2008, 04:00 AM
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Credit Jo... Jan 30 2008, 08:37 PM
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ugordan All that debris will probably end up reentering fa... Feb 14 2008, 09:16 PM
edstrick "I think they are more interested in destroyi... Feb 15 2008, 07:49 AM
helvick Excellent summary Ed - the reporting has certainly... Feb 15 2008, 08:58 AM
nprev QUOTE (helvick @ Feb 15 2008, 12:58 AM) T... Feb 15 2008, 09:53 AM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (helvick @ Feb 15 2008, 03:58 AM) T... Feb 15 2008, 05:05 PM
edstrick I gather the spooks like to deorbit their birds, r... Feb 15 2008, 10:21 AM
nprev I was wondering why they'd design the thing wi... Feb 15 2008, 10:53 AM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 15 2008, 05:53 AM) I w... Feb 15 2008, 05:08 PM
Tom Tamlyn Ed,
Thanks for that thoughtful and knowledgeable ... Feb 15 2008, 07:16 PM
nprev QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Feb 15 2008, 09... Feb 15 2008, 08:55 PM
tty If this was launched on a Delta 2 it must have bee... Feb 15 2008, 01:36 PM
Jim from NSF.com Highly doubtful
1. NRO hasn't used a west co... Feb 15 2008, 05:03 PM
djellison Strong enough to maintain pressure on orbit, but w... Feb 15 2008, 11:25 PM
nprev I was thinking of something with a lower melting p... Feb 15 2008, 11:57 PM
edstrick The problem is that there is NO good replacement f... Feb 16 2008, 10:02 AM
mchan Well, it's good that the US has the capability... Feb 16 2008, 05:04 PM
nprev Ahh, I'm chemically illiterate...I meant N2H4,... Feb 16 2008, 05:25 PM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 16 2008, 12:25 PM) Ahh... Feb 16 2008, 10:27 PM
mchan If the intercept is successful in mitigating the h... Feb 16 2008, 05:55 PM
nprev I don't know if the US Navy, nor the DoD itsel... Feb 16 2008, 06:10 PM
nprev ...NRO might see it differently, Jim; bet that the... Feb 16 2008, 11:17 PM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 16 2008, 06:17 PM) ..... Feb 17 2008, 02:24 AM
NGC3314 QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 16 2008, 05:17 PM) ..... Feb 19 2008, 05:54 PM
nprev I wouldn't advocate adding more penetrations t... Feb 17 2008, 02:47 AM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 16 2008, 09:47 PM) 1. ... Feb 17 2008, 07:08 PM
mchan QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 16 2008, 06:47 PM) I w... Feb 21 2008, 08:07 AM
Sunspot Some questions:
The intention is to break the spa... Feb 18 2008, 07:33 PM
nprev QUOTE (Sunspot @ Feb 18 2008, 11:33 AM) W... Feb 18 2008, 10:50 PM
jaredGalen Do we have any idea what the debris field will be ... Feb 19 2008, 10:37 AM
PhilCo126 I'm a bit amazed that anti-satellite missiles ... Feb 18 2008, 07:39 PM
tty Firing a missile to 200 km altitude isn't that... Feb 18 2008, 09:34 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Feb 20 2008, 12... Feb 21 2008, 11:57 PM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (tedstryk @ Feb 21 2008, 06:57 PM) ... Feb 22 2008, 01:53 AM
tedstryk That's fine. The conversation was not only... Feb 22 2008, 02:28 PM
ElkGroveDan http://www.space.com/news/080219-satellite-shootdo... Feb 20 2008, 03:09 AM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Feb 19 2008, 10:09 P... Feb 20 2008, 06:05 PM
ugordan QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Feb 20 2008, 07... Feb 20 2008, 06:09 PM

helvick I know this is a stupid question and I'm sure ... Feb 20 2008, 06:55 PM

ugordan QUOTE (helvick @ Feb 20 2008, 07:55 PM) w... Feb 20 2008, 06:59 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Feb 20 2008, 10... Feb 20 2008, 07:07 PM
helvick If I'm understanding ugordan's explanation... Feb 20 2008, 08:22 PM
ugordan QUOTE (helvick @ Feb 20 2008, 09:22 PM) M... Feb 20 2008, 09:31 PM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (ugordan @ Feb 20 2008, 04:31 PM) A... Feb 21 2008, 02:59 AM
Tman Time and location of this first shot down attempt ... Feb 20 2008, 05:43 PM
stevesliva I heard somewhere that the KV was only 10kg... can... Feb 20 2008, 09:13 PM
rlorenz A couple of things crack me up about this whole bu... Feb 20 2008, 11:31 PM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (rlorenz @ Feb 20 2008, 06:31 PM) A... Feb 20 2008, 11:34 PM
helvick ugordan - yeah I got a better quality envelope and... Feb 21 2008, 02:22 AM
rlorenz QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Feb 20 2008, 06... Feb 21 2008, 06:31 AM
Pavel http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=24802... Feb 21 2008, 03:04 AM
centsworth_II MSNBC.com and CNN.com reporting a hit.
No story,... Feb 21 2008, 03:53 AM
dvandorn CNN just ran the story about 20 minutes ago, repor... Feb 21 2008, 04:01 AM
ElkGroveDan Space/AP
Navy Hits Satellite With Heat-Seeking Mi... Feb 21 2008, 05:14 AM
volcanopele I am still waiting for the video from the missile.... Feb 21 2008, 07:42 AM
ugordan They need time to clean out the aliens from the fo... Feb 21 2008, 07:49 AM
mchan QUOTE (ugordan @ Feb 20 2008, 11:49 PM) T... Feb 21 2008, 08:19 AM
CAP-Team How much more space debree is now orbiting Earth? Feb 21 2008, 09:00 AM
ugordan And, more importantly, anyone know if there's ... Feb 21 2008, 09:44 AM
djellison QUOTE (CAP-Team @ Feb 21 2008, 09:00... Feb 21 2008, 09:54 AM
helvick Immediately after the impact there was quite a lot... Feb 21 2008, 09:58 AM
jaredGalen Apparent FEMA document outlining the satellite ree... Feb 21 2008, 11:12 AM
Sunspot As expected some of the British press are using th... Feb 21 2008, 11:12 AM
djellison Which bits of the British Media? I've got som... Feb 21 2008, 11:23 AM
jaredGalen QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 21 2008, 11:23 AM)... Feb 21 2008, 11:38 AM
Sunspot It was the lead story on Newsnight last night....a... Feb 21 2008, 11:29 AM
djellison But fuel soaked shrapnel from their own failed LV... Feb 21 2008, 11:41 AM
jaredGalen QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 21 2008, 11:41 AM)... Feb 21 2008, 11:42 AM
ugordan Politics... I don't know whether to laugh or c... Feb 21 2008, 11:46 AM
Tman There's a video from the military that shows t... Feb 21 2008, 01:57 PM
stevesliva The BBC radio I heard in my car this morning inclu... Feb 21 2008, 02:42 PM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (stevesliva @ Feb 21 2008, 09:42 AM... Feb 21 2008, 02:50 PM
djellison I presume the tank was fairly central in the space... Feb 21 2008, 02:58 PM
Tman There's more from the debris cloud right after... Feb 21 2008, 02:52 PM
stevesliva I was definitely ready to believe the implication ... Feb 21 2008, 03:40 PM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (stevesliva @ Feb 21 2008, 10:40 AM... Feb 21 2008, 05:50 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (Jim from NSF.com @ Feb 21 2008, 12... Feb 21 2008, 09:32 PM
centsworth_II If the fuel tank is one meter in diameter, and the... Feb 21 2008, 04:03 PM
PhilHorzempa Now that we see that we are able to successfully d... Feb 26 2008, 11:02 PM
ugordan QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ Feb 27 2008, 12:02 ... Feb 26 2008, 11:10 PM
nprev Not a bad idea! It'll take a few more year... Feb 26 2008, 11:14 PM
Stu Might be more "cost effective", but afte... Feb 26 2008, 11:37 PM
nprev Yeah...<sigh>...I feel ya, Stu, but this act... Feb 27 2008, 12:24 AM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 26 2008, 07:24 PM) Yea... Feb 27 2008, 12:29 AM
dvandorn QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 26 2008, 06:24 PM) I d... Feb 27 2008, 03:39 AM
nprev Thanks for the clarification/feedback, guys. Botto... Feb 27 2008, 04:10 AM
mchan HST does not have a big tank of frozen hydrazine l... Feb 27 2008, 07:48 AM![]() ![]() |
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