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Feb 25 2008, 06:07 AM
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"...Cassini was originally supposed to be the first mission using the Mariner Mark II series ..."
JPL Director Bruce Murray <I think> had a major article in Science magazine in the mid 80's explaining in detail how the newly concieved Mariner Mark II program would provide the basis for continuing low cost planetary exploration. Mission costs <I think> were to be well sub-1-Billion-$, achieved in part by reusing modifications on a common spacecraft bus, much the way Mariners 69, 71, 73 and Viking Orbiters had massive design heritage. The first missions were to be Comet Rendezvous / Asteroid Flyby CRAF and Cassini. Well.... as the mission pair cost past umpteen billion, CRAF was nuked and Cassini was descoped to (among other things) a No-Scan-Platform mission. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" I'd really like to see the story of how Mariner Mark II went form good intentions to budget control hell. Watching MSL, I'm getting massive deja vu. |
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Feb 25 2008, 07:20 PM
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I'd really like to see the story of how Mariner Mark II went form good intentions to budget control hell. One big reason is that the Cassini and CRAF missions were not really very similar, so the idea of sharing a common spacecraft was not that valid to start with. As I have pointed out before when these "common spacecraft" discussions come up, there is huge commonality at the box level. Regardless of how different spacecraft may look on the outside, much of the guts are built out of catalog items. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Stu MSL "Heat shield woes" Feb 17 2008, 04:20 PM
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rlorenz QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 17 2008, 12:39 PM)... Feb 18 2008, 01:43 PM
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AndyG Is the article correct?
QUOTE NASA had planned to... Feb 18 2008, 11:24 AM
djellison Yeah...I meant every word of that...all of it.
Ea... Feb 18 2008, 02:22 PM
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ugordan Ironic, indeed. I don't think Alan will like t... Feb 20 2008, 06:13 PM
djellison I really really really want to see MSL fly, but it... Feb 20 2008, 06:24 PM
elakdawalla Alan went on to say "The ramifications are go... Feb 20 2008, 06:25 PM
Sunspot QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Feb 20 2008, 06:25 P... Feb 20 2008, 07:15 PM
vjkane Emily -
Are you at the MPEG meeting? Feb 20 2008, 07:17 PM
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Mariner9 I hate to be an armchair quarterback, so I'm n... Feb 20 2008, 07:36 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Feb 20 2008, 11:36 AM) ... Feb 21 2008, 12:54 AM
elakdawalla One of the things that makes me a bit worried is t... Feb 20 2008, 07:53 PM
ugordan QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Feb 20 2008, 08:53 P... Feb 20 2008, 07:56 PM
Jim from NSF.com QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Feb 20 2008, 02:53 P... Feb 20 2008, 10:54 PM
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djellison One thing that I think Jim Bell was pushing for wi... Feb 20 2008, 10:44 PM
djellison Chang'e 1, Chandrayaan - 1, Kaguya, LRO. That... Feb 20 2008, 11:17 PM
Jim from NSF.com point taken Feb 20 2008, 11:35 PM
Mariner9 The 800 million figure was rather informal. I was... Feb 21 2008, 02:23 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Feb 20 2008, 06:23 PM) ... Feb 21 2008, 06:04 AM
Mariner9 QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Feb 20 2008, 10:04 PM... Feb 21 2008, 06:54 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Feb 20 2008, 10:54 PM) ... Feb 21 2008, 07:16 AM
mchan QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Feb 20 2008, 11:53 A... Feb 21 2008, 06:30 AM
Mariner9 NASA budgets are a matter of public record. That... Feb 21 2008, 07:57 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Feb 20 2008, 11:57 PM) ... Feb 21 2008, 06:42 PM
stevesliva Wasn't there surprise that the Mars budget was... Feb 21 2008, 03:26 PM
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hendric I can see it, but I'm not sure I can make anyt... Feb 21 2008, 09:20 PM
Steve G NASA is always reinventing the wheel. Every space... Feb 24 2008, 09:48 PM
djellison QUOTE (Steve G @ Feb 24 2008, 09:48 PM) E... Feb 24 2008, 10:55 PM
brellis NASA doesn't want to waste a lot of $... Feb 25 2008, 01:27 AM
vjkane QUOTE (brellis @ Feb 25 2008, 01:27 AM) T... Feb 25 2008, 04:02 AM
brellis Right, I forgot about Mariner Mark II. If only NA... Feb 25 2008, 04:33 AM
tedstryk There was also the problem of NASA's budget no... Feb 25 2008, 08:31 PM
vjkane The pre-MRO Mars orbiters, as I understand it, sha... Feb 25 2008, 03:08 PM
nprev This is the third or fourth time I've seen mas... Feb 25 2008, 06:24 PM
Mariner9 One example of design inheritance working well wa... Feb 25 2008, 10:56 PM
Tom Tamlyn >Venus Express flew, the cost for that mission ... Feb 26 2008, 03:15 AM
vjkane QUOTE (Tom Tamlyn @ Feb 26 2008, 03:15 AM... Feb 26 2008, 03:36 AM
Steve G Nasa still needs to eventually land another spacec... Mar 1 2008, 05:39 AM![]() ![]() |
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