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Polar wander/reorientation of Titan, possible mechanisms and implications |
Mar 18 2008, 12:26 PM
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We discussed this briefly before in the "Equatorial Sand Seas" thread, posts 252 to 257, so I will understand if there are few further comments, but drawing from some recent abstracts there is now more to say so I thought I'd start a separate thread. First the neutral assessment of the issue that concluded those earlier deliberations:
QUOTE (rlorenz @ Feb 9 2008, 02:59 PM) I dont see a strong case yet for any large-scale re-orientation (don't see a case against it either) To summarise the issue as I see it: The surface of Titan (like some other moons) is thought to be mechanically decoupled from the interior by a subsurface ocean. Unlike the other 'ocean' moons, Titan has highly active surface processes including fluid flow and solid mass redistribution. Deposition of material from the atmosphere is thought to favour the polar regions. We observe regional slopes, large scale lake basins, mountain chains (with preferential E-W orientation) and possible faults that could in part be maintained by migration of the entire crust with respect to the rotation axis. A testable prediction can be made: Titan's surface formations will be found to include some that originated far from their present latitude. Now, what's new?: http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EGU2008/101...008-A-10189.pdf Lorenz, R.; Stiles, B.; Kirk, R.; Zebker, H.; Callahan, P.; Radarteam, T.C. Geophysical Results at Titan from Cassini RADAR : Topography and Spin State Overview Note the last paragraph. Even the wind could be 'torqeing the surface around'. Also relevant though not specific to Titan: http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EGU2008/013...008-A-01318.pdf Harada, Y. True polar wander due to surface mass loading: Interaction between rotation and deformation through pole tide I'll leave it there for now to see if others have comments. |
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Mar 20 2008, 07:56 PM
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More on the polar wander of Titan. Implications that the surface is decoupled from the core and slipping around on a subsurface ocean.
(Still no numbers on the size of this effect, however, but it is visible in RADAR swaths not lining up.) Space.com article: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0803...itan-ocean.html From the article, Titan's crustal thickness: 50 - 150 km thick Subsurface ocean thickness: 100 - 200 km thick [Editorial aside: This puts Titan's subsurface ocean only twice as deep (and twice as far) as Europa's subsurface ocean.] -Mike -------------------- Some higher resolution images available at my photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/
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ngunn Polar wander/reorientation of Titan Mar 18 2008, 12:26 PM
Juramike [Wikipedia to the rescue again...]
Earth's ... Mar 18 2008, 05:57 PM
ngunn Just to avoid confusion that 20 metres amplitude i... Mar 18 2008, 08:37 PM
Juramike Yup. The amplitude of the wobble is 15 arc second... Mar 18 2008, 09:13 PM
ngunn Returning to Titan, in place of that tiny wobble I... Mar 18 2008, 09:48 PM
ngunn In this abstract the authors refer to four possibl... Mar 19 2008, 11:48 AM
rlorenz QUOTE (Juramike @ Mar 20 2008, 03:56 PM) ... Mar 20 2008, 10:25 PM
ngunn QUOTE (rlorenz @ Mar 20 2008, 10:25 PM) S... Mar 21 2008, 02:48 PM
ngunn Great article, thanks for posting it Mike.
My lat... Mar 20 2008, 08:17 PM
ngunn Presumably it's even possible (at least tempor... Mar 20 2008, 11:16 PM
rlorenz QUOTE (ngunn @ Mar 20 2008, 07:16 PM) Mor... Mar 21 2008, 01:33 AM
nprev Indeed, that was an excellent article (and a terri... Mar 21 2008, 03:01 AM
elakdawalla QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 20 2008, 08:01 PM) Ind... Mar 21 2008, 04:39 AM
ugordan Emily, great article (as usual), covering an amazi... Mar 21 2008, 08:41 AM
vjkane Does anyone know how far a radar in orbit around T... Mar 21 2008, 03:24 AM
rlorenz QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 20 2008, 10:24 PM) Do... Mar 21 2008, 11:17 AM
ngunn Ralph, Emily mentions that you point out that a lo... Mar 21 2008, 09:59 AM
rlorenz QUOTE (ngunn @ Mar 21 2008, 04:59 AM) Ral... Mar 21 2008, 11:03 AM
edstrick Based on simple modles of "geo"thermal ... Mar 21 2008, 11:26 AM
ugordan QUOTE (edstrick @ Mar 21 2008, 12:26 PM) ... Mar 21 2008, 11:46 AM
nprev QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 21 2008, 03:46 AM) T... Mar 21 2008, 01:01 PM
remcook Emily/Doug/Bob: I saw that figure used yesterday m... Mar 21 2008, 12:42 PM
Juramike RADAR strippin'
story so grippin'
water b... Mar 21 2008, 02:57 PM
vjkane Ralph -
Congrats on a great paper. I think we al... Mar 21 2008, 05:20 PM
scalbers Here is some coverage of the sub-surface ocean on ... Mar 21 2008, 08:02 PM
nprev Just gotta give mad props to Juramike here for tho... Mar 22 2008, 03:12 PM
Julius So it seems that TiTAN exhibits some form of plate... Mar 23 2008, 11:38 AM
ngunn Almost certainly all one 'plate'. Even so,... Mar 23 2008, 07:05 PM
ngunn The attached article (via Jupiter List - thanks... May 16 2008, 11:40 AM
DrShank QUOTE (ngunn @ May 16 2008, 05:40 AM) The... May 16 2008, 12:35 PM
rlorenz Interesting stuff! The headline 'Globa... May 16 2008, 01:22 PM
DrShank QUOTE (rlorenz @ May 16 2008, 07:22 AM) I... May 16 2008, 01:37 PM
ugordan QUOTE "The troughs and depressions are up to ... May 16 2008, 01:55 PM
climber QUOTE (ugordan @ May 16 2008, 03:55 PM) L... May 16 2008, 09:09 PM
ngunn Thanks for posting the better links. No doubt Euro... May 16 2008, 01:49 PM
Juramike Here is another paper of interest in the May 2008 ... May 16 2008, 04:08 PM
Juramike Freely available article on Polar reorientation du... May 16 2008, 04:33 PM
Juramike QUOTE (Juramike @ May 16 2008, 11:33 AM) ... May 16 2008, 10:46 PM
Juramike [Arms flailing wildly, a crazy, trance-like look i... May 16 2008, 04:54 PM
ngunn Nice, Mike, but you may need to add another reorie... May 16 2008, 08:32 PM
Juramike QUOTE (ngunn @ May 16 2008, 03:32 PM) Nic... May 16 2008, 10:15 PM
ngunn [quote name='Juramike' date='May 16 20... May 17 2008, 08:18 AM
centsworth_II QUOTE (ngunn @ May 17 2008, 03:18 AM) ...... May 17 2008, 03:01 PM
ngunn QUOTE (centsworth_II @ May 17 2008, 04:01... May 17 2008, 07:07 PM
DrShank QUOTE (ngunn @ May 17 2008, 01:07 PM) I... May 17 2008, 11:10 PM
ngunn I fancy Ganymede as the one place where it might j... May 18 2008, 09:48 AM
rlorenz QUOTE (ngunn @ May 18 2008, 04:48 AM) I f... May 18 2008, 02:31 PM
ngunn Do you think there is anything that the planned ba... May 18 2008, 09:05 PM
rlorenz QUOTE (ngunn @ May 18 2008, 04:05 PM) Do ... May 21 2008, 12:35 AM
ngunn QUOTE (rlorenz @ May 21 2008, 01:35 AM) N... May 21 2008, 08:00 AM
nprev Ralph (and hopefully not too far OT given a system... May 21 2008, 12:41 AM
Juramike I'm no expert, but I'll take a stab at it:... May 21 2008, 02:30 PM
ngunn I've got a question for Paul too. Do we have a... May 21 2008, 02:32 PM
ngunn Aha! See end of second paragraph. I haven... May 21 2008, 06:46 PM![]() ![]() |
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