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Mar 24 2008, 09:11 PM
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Just found out today at a MER all-hands meeting that both MER and Odyssey will each be suffering an immediate $4 million budget cut to help defray the cost of MSL. Read more here: http://martianchronicles.wordpress.com/200...rs-budget-cuts/
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Mar 26 2008, 03:19 PM
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Mar 26 2008, 05:43 PM
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Disclaimer: For about a month now, I've suspected that the Mars issue was going to blow up, although I didn't see this coming (which may not be "Mars" related). This had the feel of the kind of thing that would end up as a banned topic on the board, so I did a lot of my discussion off-board in e-mails with people. I've been surprised, even, that it hasn't become a heated topic.
I don't want to conflate the headlined topic (which AFAIK could be for ANY reason) with anything else, but I've been saying in back channels for a while that there was a war coming and that it was a curious time in which no one wanted to say there was a war coming. When you get slides from HQ calling the arguments of scientists "myths", it's clear that the war has started. When we discuss certainly non-heated questions like whether Uranus or Neptune deserves the next mission to either of them, or when we see the slightly more heated question of whether a jovian mission should pay more attention to Io (et al) or Europa, what we're seeing is that prioritization is surfacing as a hot issue. That will not go away, and somehow, coming up with a means to address future prioritization requires a BIG organizational effort in NASA and the community. There's so much money involved, that as you have more "interested" parties, you'll start to run out of disinterested parties. And the way it's being done now has a "welcome to amateur hour" flavor to it. Should Mars get 50% of the planetary science budget or 20%? And why? These are huge questions that have been managed with caprice. The stated reasons on both sides are uncompelling ("This is the way it's usually been done" vs. "We owe it to the current grad students who want to base their careers around Mars."). In the medium term, we may have a tense and strife-filled debate about Mars vs. everything else. Heads may roll, missions may be cancelled or delayed. But the real point isn't Mars. It's how to prioritize in general. In the Sixties, there was nothing to worry about. Only the Moon, Mars, and Venus were within range, and neither Venus nor Mars had ever been seen up close. Alternating opportunities between Venus and Mars with the Mariner program worked just fine and made no one unhappy. Even through the Voyagers, we were still giving the major objects a once-over. Mars got its starring moment with Viking, Venus was too inhospitable to invite the same thing there, and the giant planets got their orbiters. The peace ends as the initial reconnaissance ends. Now we have several opportunities that are individually worthy of commanding more funding than they collectively can receive. Hence, we have a scarcity of precious resources, which is the cause of most wars. Allocating precious resources can take place by capricious fiat from smoke-filled rooms, or in an open (and inevitably political) process. Right now, there is no system. There has to be. That's the main issue right now. Mars is just an example of what will be fought over if the organizational structure for prioritization is not built up. |
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Ryan Odyssey and MER Budgets Cut Mar 24 2008, 09:11 PM
brellis Sorry to hear about it. There was at one point a ... Mar 24 2008, 09:57 PM
djellison I'm writing emails to people to see what, if a... Mar 24 2008, 11:07 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 24 2008, 03:07 PM)... Mar 25 2008, 02:39 AM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 PM... Mar 25 2008, 04:18 AM
JRehling QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 PM... Mar 25 2008, 04:20 AM

edstrick "... Magellan obviously could have provided S... Mar 25 2008, 06:25 AM
slinted QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 PM... Mar 25 2008, 05:11 AM
nprev I'm sure Emily's aware; hopefully, TPS wil... Mar 24 2008, 11:28 PM
Stu Just got in from work to find this news. Unbelieva... Mar 24 2008, 11:52 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Stu @ Mar 24 2008, 03:52 PM) Obvio... Mar 25 2008, 12:16 AM
djellison Yup - I'd ask people to hang tight from the ra... Mar 24 2008, 11:57 PM
nprev Agreed. There are a lot of systemic factors to con... Mar 25 2008, 12:59 AM
brellis QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 24 2008, 05:59 PM) I... Mar 25 2008, 01:12 AM

Stu QUOTE (brellis @ Mar 25 2008, 01:12 AM) h... Mar 25 2008, 08:25 AM
Stu QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 25 2008, 12:59 AM) apo... Mar 25 2008, 01:27 AM
nprev Thanks for the words of encouragement, O Poet Laur... Mar 25 2008, 01:46 AM
brellis A while back I wondered if due to budget constrain... Mar 25 2008, 02:15 AM
nprev QUOTE (brellis @ Mar 24 2008, 07:15 PM) H... Mar 25 2008, 02:25 AM
laurele QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 24 2008, 10:25 PM) Tru... Mar 25 2008, 04:12 AM
merman Hi all,
It is important for everyone to realize t... Mar 25 2008, 02:26 AM
Stu QUOTE (merman @ Mar 25 2008, 02:26 AM) St... Mar 25 2008, 08:32 AM
Greg Hullender QUOTE (Stu @ Mar 25 2008, 12:32 AM) Quest... Mar 25 2008, 03:09 PM
Astro0 This has hit the wider media already...
http://sci... Mar 25 2008, 02:44 AM
Aussie I am not sure that outrage is warranted. My under... Mar 25 2008, 03:02 AM
Greg Hullender Well, I wrote my congressman, BUT it already looks... Mar 25 2008, 03:40 AM
nprev QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Mar 24 2008, 07:4... Mar 25 2008, 03:48 AM
mchan Click on Astro's link to CNN above. Mar 25 2008, 04:00 AM
nprev Ah...thanks, mchan.
"Mixed signals"...y... Mar 25 2008, 04:06 AM
mcaplinger I would argue that Odyssey is far more likely to y... Mar 25 2008, 05:05 AM
djellison QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 25 2008, 05:05 AM... Mar 25 2008, 08:51 AM

tedstryk The seemingly odd NASA response about not being w... Mar 25 2008, 09:50 AM
nprev QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 10:05 PM... Mar 25 2008, 12:26 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 25 2008, 04:26 AM) Mor... Mar 25 2008, 05:11 PM
elakdawalla QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 25 2008, 09:11 AM... Mar 25 2008, 05:39 PM
elakdawalla Here's a question I don't know the answer ... Mar 25 2008, 05:14 AM
JRehling In what is serendipitous timing, a piece on Odysse... Mar 25 2008, 05:49 AM
edstrick "...Spirit's not a real "weather sta... Mar 25 2008, 06:31 AM

ustrax So one goes out for the Easter and when one return... Mar 25 2008, 11:36 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 24 2008, 09:14 P... Mar 25 2008, 04:15 PM
PhilCo126 Indeed lots of media intrest: NASA budget cut thre... Mar 25 2008, 11:58 AM
Adam http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080324/ap_on_...5kyVt... Mar 25 2008, 12:22 PM
climber I'd thought that Nasa (or whoever it is) would... Mar 25 2008, 01:49 PM
ustrax Guys, just got the info that it seems like the sit... Mar 25 2008, 02:04 PM
elakdawalla "in this discussion," Mike, "in thi... Mar 25 2008, 05:02 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 25 2008, 09:02 A... Mar 25 2008, 05:12 PM
Of counsel Breaking news?
NASA: Mars rovers won't be cut... Mar 25 2008, 05:44 PM

PaulM I read an interview with Steve Squyres (it might h... Mar 25 2008, 06:18 PM

JRehling Phoenix will eventually be encased with seasonal p... Mar 25 2008, 06:23 PM
brellis Edit: just read your link, Phil - what a relief... Mar 25 2008, 07:02 PM
bmerrow The directive was rescinded an hour ago - there wi... Mar 25 2008, 06:00 PM
imipak QUOTE (bmerrow @ Mar 25 2008, 06:00 PM) T... Mar 25 2008, 06:11 PM
JRehling If you go to Google news and search for "Mars... Mar 25 2008, 06:12 PM
PhilCo126 http://www.physorg.com/news125666692.html Mar 25 2008, 06:44 PM
Astro0 This reprieve is good news, but let's keep a v... Mar 26 2008, 01:05 AM
merman Thank you, everyone, for your support and help wit... Mar 26 2008, 02:22 PM
vjkane The money restored to MER and Odyssey will have to... Mar 26 2008, 02:26 AM
MahFL Good news. Always a stupid idea turning off workin... Mar 26 2008, 12:14 PM
tedstryk As was pointed out earlier, the kind of money we a... Mar 26 2008, 01:04 PM
Stu Not wanting to kick a gift horse in the mouth and ... Mar 26 2008, 01:18 PM
tedstryk Like I have said, at the LPSC, there was a great t... Mar 26 2008, 01:44 PM
elakdawalla My understanding from some Odyssey folks is that t... Mar 26 2008, 03:45 PM
Mariner9 I agree that the debates have barely begun.
Th... Mar 26 2008, 06:04 PM
djellison I've moved two posts that are about a broader ... Mar 26 2008, 06:11 PM
djellison Having done that - here's my thoughts.
Fundin... Mar 26 2008, 06:33 PM
JRehling The problem with a scarcity of resources is that i... Mar 28 2008, 09:07 PM
blairf Following the resource allocation question to a na... Mar 26 2008, 08:17 PM
vjkane I am deeply, deeply saddened by Alan's departu... Mar 26 2008, 09:07 PM
Mariner9 But there is a decadal study in the planetary worl... Mar 26 2008, 10:58 PM
vjkane QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Mar 26 2008, 10:58 PM) ... Mar 26 2008, 11:21 PM
djellison Good words at NW
"While I have not agreed wi... Mar 28 2008, 08:04 PM
gpurcell Unfortunately, there is no real solution to the bu... Mar 28 2008, 10:12 PM
vjkane The process for prioritizing planetary missions re... Mar 28 2008, 11:19 PM
Stu Good news, I think... Jun 13 2008, 10:29 PM
jmjawors That's GREAT news! Of course, it'll s... Jun 13 2008, 10:37 PM
mike Personally I think both Titan and Europa are inter... Jun 15 2008, 09:32 PM![]() ![]() |
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