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Mar 24 2008, 09:11 PM
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Just found out today at a MER all-hands meeting that both MER and Odyssey will each be suffering an immediate $4 million budget cut to help defray the cost of MSL. Read more here: http://martianchronicles.wordpress.com/200...rs-budget-cuts/
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Mar 28 2008, 08:04 PM
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Good words at NW
"While I have not agreed with all his decisions, I think that Alan Stern's tenure at SMD has been a huge boost to space science and his resignation is truly unfortunate. Also unfortunate, however, is the amount of misinformation being spread (often with the best intentions) by people without a full grasp of the facts. For example, "Anonymous manager" used MER operations as an example of "overzealous spending", pointing out "a 75% reduction in productivity for a 20% budget cut" on a project with "300 individuals driving two rovers". The facts are the following: The proposed budget cut, that was to be applied to the remaining funds in FY08, was roughly 40%. One rover was to be cut back from the current standard 80% duty cycle (due to the way Mars time aligns with a standard work shift) to 60% (this does not include the fact that the rovers are not commanded on weekends), a 25% reduction. In addition, the second rover that was to be hibernated (not killed) still required weekly contacts and some minimum amount of engineering analysis and commanding to maintain its viability in the dynamic martian environment; let's say this is an 75% reduction. This still comes out to ~50% overall, more than a proportional 40%, but unfortunately project expenditures are never linear. As for the 300 people driving the rovers, total MER staffing (management, operations, IT support, data processing, etc.) at JPL is roughly 50 FTEs; the larger number quoted accounts for part-time individuals and the large science team, many of whom receive minimal funding. It is fair to question the scientific usefulness and management efficiency of any mission, particularly those in their extended phases. MER undergoes detailed external (non-JPL) science and management reviews at least annually investigating these issues, and so far they have concluded that it represents an excellent science value for the expenditure and that the operations budget is lean and reasonable. Your opinion may vary. There are many troubling issues with costs and overruns withing SMD, and many places (certainly including JPL!) where blame can be assigned. But while I welcome a spirited (no pun intended) discussion, I think we should try to avoid opinions masquerading as facts. Anonymous MER staffer" |
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Ryan Odyssey and MER Budgets Cut Mar 24 2008, 09:11 PM
brellis Sorry to hear about it. There was at one point a ... Mar 24 2008, 09:57 PM
djellison I'm writing emails to people to see what, if a... Mar 24 2008, 11:07 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 24 2008, 03:07 PM)... Mar 25 2008, 02:39 AM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 PM... Mar 25 2008, 04:18 AM
JRehling QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 PM... Mar 25 2008, 04:20 AM

edstrick "... Magellan obviously could have provided S... Mar 25 2008, 06:25 AM
slinted QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 06:39 PM... Mar 25 2008, 05:11 AM
nprev I'm sure Emily's aware; hopefully, TPS wil... Mar 24 2008, 11:28 PM
Stu Just got in from work to find this news. Unbelieva... Mar 24 2008, 11:52 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Stu @ Mar 24 2008, 03:52 PM) Obvio... Mar 25 2008, 12:16 AM
djellison Yup - I'd ask people to hang tight from the ra... Mar 24 2008, 11:57 PM
nprev Agreed. There are a lot of systemic factors to con... Mar 25 2008, 12:59 AM
brellis QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 24 2008, 05:59 PM) I... Mar 25 2008, 01:12 AM

Stu QUOTE (brellis @ Mar 25 2008, 01:12 AM) h... Mar 25 2008, 08:25 AM
Stu QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 25 2008, 12:59 AM) apo... Mar 25 2008, 01:27 AM
nprev Thanks for the words of encouragement, O Poet Laur... Mar 25 2008, 01:46 AM
brellis A while back I wondered if due to budget constrain... Mar 25 2008, 02:15 AM
nprev QUOTE (brellis @ Mar 24 2008, 07:15 PM) H... Mar 25 2008, 02:25 AM
laurele QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 24 2008, 10:25 PM) Tru... Mar 25 2008, 04:12 AM
merman Hi all,
It is important for everyone to realize t... Mar 25 2008, 02:26 AM
Stu QUOTE (merman @ Mar 25 2008, 02:26 AM) St... Mar 25 2008, 08:32 AM
Greg Hullender QUOTE (Stu @ Mar 25 2008, 12:32 AM) Quest... Mar 25 2008, 03:09 PM
Astro0 This has hit the wider media already...
http://sci... Mar 25 2008, 02:44 AM
Aussie I am not sure that outrage is warranted. My under... Mar 25 2008, 03:02 AM
Greg Hullender Well, I wrote my congressman, BUT it already looks... Mar 25 2008, 03:40 AM
nprev QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Mar 24 2008, 07:4... Mar 25 2008, 03:48 AM
mchan Click on Astro's link to CNN above. Mar 25 2008, 04:00 AM
nprev Ah...thanks, mchan.
"Mixed signals"...y... Mar 25 2008, 04:06 AM
mcaplinger I would argue that Odyssey is far more likely to y... Mar 25 2008, 05:05 AM
djellison QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 25 2008, 05:05 AM... Mar 25 2008, 08:51 AM

tedstryk The seemingly odd NASA response about not being w... Mar 25 2008, 09:50 AM
nprev QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 24 2008, 10:05 PM... Mar 25 2008, 12:26 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 25 2008, 04:26 AM) Mor... Mar 25 2008, 05:11 PM
elakdawalla QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Mar 25 2008, 09:11 AM... Mar 25 2008, 05:39 PM
elakdawalla Here's a question I don't know the answer ... Mar 25 2008, 05:14 AM
JRehling In what is serendipitous timing, a piece on Odysse... Mar 25 2008, 05:49 AM
edstrick "...Spirit's not a real "weather sta... Mar 25 2008, 06:31 AM

ustrax So one goes out for the Easter and when one return... Mar 25 2008, 11:36 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 24 2008, 09:14 P... Mar 25 2008, 04:15 PM
PhilCo126 Indeed lots of media intrest: NASA budget cut thre... Mar 25 2008, 11:58 AM
Adam http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080324/ap_on_...5kyVt... Mar 25 2008, 12:22 PM
climber I'd thought that Nasa (or whoever it is) would... Mar 25 2008, 01:49 PM
ustrax Guys, just got the info that it seems like the sit... Mar 25 2008, 02:04 PM
elakdawalla "in this discussion," Mike, "in thi... Mar 25 2008, 05:02 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Mar 25 2008, 09:02 A... Mar 25 2008, 05:12 PM
Of counsel Breaking news?
NASA: Mars rovers won't be cut... Mar 25 2008, 05:44 PM

PaulM I read an interview with Steve Squyres (it might h... Mar 25 2008, 06:18 PM

JRehling Phoenix will eventually be encased with seasonal p... Mar 25 2008, 06:23 PM
brellis Edit: just read your link, Phil - what a relief... Mar 25 2008, 07:02 PM
bmerrow The directive was rescinded an hour ago - there wi... Mar 25 2008, 06:00 PM
imipak QUOTE (bmerrow @ Mar 25 2008, 06:00 PM) T... Mar 25 2008, 06:11 PM
JRehling If you go to Google news and search for "Mars... Mar 25 2008, 06:12 PM
PhilCo126 http://www.physorg.com/news125666692.html Mar 25 2008, 06:44 PM
Astro0 This reprieve is good news, but let's keep a v... Mar 26 2008, 01:05 AM
merman Thank you, everyone, for your support and help wit... Mar 26 2008, 02:22 PM
vjkane The money restored to MER and Odyssey will have to... Mar 26 2008, 02:26 AM
MahFL Good news. Always a stupid idea turning off workin... Mar 26 2008, 12:14 PM
tedstryk As was pointed out earlier, the kind of money we a... Mar 26 2008, 01:04 PM
Stu Not wanting to kick a gift horse in the mouth and ... Mar 26 2008, 01:18 PM
tedstryk Like I have said, at the LPSC, there was a great t... Mar 26 2008, 01:44 PM
elakdawalla My understanding from some Odyssey folks is that t... Mar 26 2008, 03:45 PM
Mariner9 I agree that the debates have barely begun.
Th... Mar 26 2008, 06:04 PM
djellison I've moved two posts that are about a broader ... Mar 26 2008, 06:11 PM
djellison Having done that - here's my thoughts.
Fundin... Mar 26 2008, 06:33 PM
JRehling The problem with a scarcity of resources is that i... Mar 28 2008, 09:07 PM
blairf Following the resource allocation question to a na... Mar 26 2008, 08:17 PM
vjkane I am deeply, deeply saddened by Alan's departu... Mar 26 2008, 09:07 PM
Mariner9 But there is a decadal study in the planetary worl... Mar 26 2008, 10:58 PM
vjkane QUOTE (Mariner9 @ Mar 26 2008, 10:58 PM) ... Mar 26 2008, 11:21 PM
gpurcell Unfortunately, there is no real solution to the bu... Mar 28 2008, 10:12 PM
vjkane The process for prioritizing planetary missions re... Mar 28 2008, 11:19 PM
Stu Good news, I think... Jun 13 2008, 10:29 PM
jmjawors That's GREAT news! Of course, it'll s... Jun 13 2008, 10:37 PM
mike Personally I think both Titan and Europa are inter... Jun 15 2008, 09:32 PM![]() ![]() |
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