My Assistant
Post MSL Roadmap |
Mar 27 2008, 05:45 PM
Post
#1
|
|
|
Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 721 Joined: 22-April 05 Member No.: 351 |
Several of the presentations from the past MPEG meeting were posted recently
http://mepag.jpl.nasa.gov/reports/index.html These include Draft priorities for Mars Sample Return, Mars Science Orbiter (MSO) Science Definition (nothing new, but a nice summary), and the Mars Strategic Science Assessment Group. I found the latter document extremely interesting. It defines the rational for MSO as the mission to follow Scout 2013. It also defined 8 distinctive classes of deposits (of which Opportunity is exploring one) with emphasis that six have been identified in just the last three years showing that "we are still in an active phase of discovery". Understanding these deposits "are critical to understanding the history of water near Mars' surface." Ideally, it would seem to me, MSL and ExoMars would each explore a different type. Most interesting for me, was the rational for a twenty year roadmap of exploration based on the assumption that sample return #1 begins at the end of the next decade: 2013: Mars Scout aeronomy 2016: MSO - determine presence and source of key trace gases, continue detailed monitoring of climate, continue to characterize surface with Hi-Rise class camera (and not mentioned, be available as a communications relay) 2018: MSR - lander/rover 2020: MSR - orbiter 2022: Mars network. Not chosen for 2016 in part to allow lessons learned from ExoMars geophysical station to be incorporated 2024: Mid-range rover (MER sized, but with updated instruments and tighter landing ellipse) - explore new class of deposit 2026: Scout 2028: MRS #2 orbiter 2030: MSR #2 lander/rover Speculation: if budgets don't allow for a sample return in the 2018/20 opportunity, I wonder if the sequence of other missions would simply move forward, and perhaps a second mid-range rover would be added. Also, could these mid-range rover be powered by Sterling-engine plutonium systems? -------------------- |
|
|
|
![]() |
Mar 12 2009, 02:29 AM
Post
#2
|
|
![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
I have a hard time defining MPF as a "rover mission." It was basically a technology demonstrator for the airbag landing technique, with a rover technology demonstrator.
Sojourner's science package was, to be honest, next to useless. Its cameras returned poor images with poor resolution, and its APXS took some great measurements of the dust on the outsides of some rocks (without a RAT or any other way of removing dust from the rocks, it never got a really decent look at the composition of the rocks themselves). The best science of the mission, IMHO, was done by the Imager for Mars Pathfinder (IMP) camera on the lander. Not that MPF was a failure -- it just wasn't really a mission designed to land a rover and then do science with the rover. It was a mission to validate the airbag technique and to pioneer wheeled-vehicle operation at a Mars-to-Earth remove. It was an engineering mission, with a few science instruments added on to take advantage of anticipated engineering successes. In purpose, it was rather like Surveyor I, which had all scientific instruments stripped off so it could serve as an engineering test. The only "science" payload on Surveyor I was its TV camera, which was used as much for engineering analysis of the Surveyor itself as it was for scientific analysis of the lunar surface. And looking at it, the only real science payload on MPF consisted of the IMP camera, the meteorology boom, and the APXS on the rover. The (rather deficient) wide-angle navigation cameras on the rover were designed solely for engineering/operational purposes; rather as with the MERs, these hazcam-like imagers weren't designed to do science, they were designed to help the operators drive the rover. So, it's not like MPF and Sojourner were failures, it's just that it wasn't what I would call a "rover mission." The Mars 2001 lander wouldn't really have been a "rover mission," either, IMHO, even though it was scheduled to carry Sojourner's sister-toaster, er, rover, Marie Curie. It would have done more of its science from the lander than from the mini-rover, and once again would have been more like an engineering demonstration than a full-fledged rover ops mission. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
|
|
|
|
vjkane Post MSL Roadmap Mar 27 2008, 05:45 PM
PhilHorzempa If we are to delay Mars Sample Return, then I woul... Mar 28 2008, 10:06 PM
gpurcell I agree with all of that, Phil. In fact, I think ... Mar 28 2008, 11:14 PM
vjkane I also agree that we should delay MSR until we hav... Mar 29 2008, 03:39 AM
imipak QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 29 2008, 03:39 AM) I ... Mar 29 2008, 02:00 PM
Vultur QUOTE (imipak @ Mar 29 2008, 02:00 PM) I ... Mar 11 2009, 11:38 PM
vjkane For the really big missions -- Mars sample return,... Mar 29 2008, 02:26 PM
vjkane Space News just posted an article about MSL's ... Mar 29 2008, 02:47 PM
Mark6 What launch vehicle is MSL going to use? Apr 1 2008, 02:35 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 29 2008, 07:47 AM) Sp... Apr 1 2008, 04:50 AM
vjkane QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Apr 1 2008, 05:50 AM)... Apr 1 2008, 03:27 PM
mchan Atlas-V 541 Apr 1 2008, 02:38 AM
monitorlizard mepag.jpl.nasa.gov/meeting/mar-09/index.html
Ther... Mar 11 2009, 07:01 PM
tedstryk Sojourner, while limited, certainly wasn't use... Mar 12 2009, 02:51 PM
dvandorn Thanks, Ted -- that's exactly what I was strug... Mar 12 2009, 06:15 PM
Vultur OK, that makes sense.
What are the big problems o... Mar 12 2009, 07:47 PM
nprev Well, from a VERY big-picture view, it's proba... Mar 12 2009, 09:56 PM
vjkane QUOTE (nprev @ Mar 12 2009, 09:56 PM) Wel... Mar 12 2009, 10:29 PM
Vultur @vjkane: That was what I was asking about, the tak... Mar 12 2009, 11:23 PM
vjkane QUOTE (Vultur @ Mar 12 2009, 11:23 PM) @v... Mar 12 2009, 11:46 PM
tedstryk If we want a really random mars dust sample, a che... Mar 14 2009, 02:35 PM
Geert QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 13 2009, 06:46 AM) It... Mar 14 2009, 03:52 PM
vjkane QUOTE (Geert @ Mar 14 2009, 03:52 PM) Per... Mar 14 2009, 07:00 PM
Geert QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 15 2009, 03:00 AM) If... Mar 15 2009, 01:36 AM
vjkane QUOTE (Geert @ Mar 15 2009, 02:36 AM) Get... Mar 15 2009, 05:55 AM
Geert QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 15 2009, 01:55 PM) Th... Mar 15 2009, 08:23 AM

vjkane QUOTE (Geert @ Mar 15 2009, 09:23 AM) Agr... Mar 15 2009, 05:36 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (vjkane @ Mar 15 2009, 12:55 AM) My... Mar 15 2009, 09:05 PM
nprev Not trying to start a debate (& the mods will ... Mar 13 2009, 01:11 AM
Greg Hullender In the case of Opportunity, it took a 250-ton rock... Mar 13 2009, 01:19 AM![]() ![]() |
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 17th December 2024 - 03:21 AM |
|
RULES AND GUIDELINES Please read the Forum Rules and Guidelines before posting. IMAGE COPYRIGHT |
OPINIONS AND MODERATION Opinions expressed on UnmannedSpaceflight.com are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of UnmannedSpaceflight.com or The Planetary Society. The all-volunteer UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderation team is wholly independent of The Planetary Society. The Planetary Society has no influence over decisions made by the UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderators. |
SUPPORT THE FORUM Unmannedspaceflight.com is funded by the Planetary Society. Please consider supporting our work and many other projects by donating to the Society or becoming a member. |
|