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Russian Monkeys to Mars
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post Apr 15 2008, 12:06 PM
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Belgian newspapers had an article about the involvement of the Sochi Institute for Medical Primatology in Vesjoloje near the Black Sea and its idea of sending Monkeys on a " manned " Mars mission before humans would fly...

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post Apr 15 2008, 03:16 PM
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The BBC have an article of this as well

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7341211.stm


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post Apr 15 2008, 07:05 PM
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I saw this as well, and huh.gif blink.gif just about covers it.

I hope they realise that, whilst they may not get much backlash from their domestic, uh, audience, it'd do the cause of space exploration no good at all... in fact it could be a real PR disaster for the wider community, and our collective hopes for future funding.

FWIW, I think it would be wrong as well as unhelpful on a practical level. No, I haven't thought through the ethical issues in any detail, and mebbe it's more complex than it appears at first glance, but... nah. I don't think so.


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post Apr 15 2008, 07:10 PM
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Wow, the vodka was flowing freely that night, wasn't it?!?!

Haven't they seen the re-make of PLANET OF THE APES?! Look what happened when they shot the monkey into space at the start of that movie... !!! ohmy.gif laugh.gif

Naaah. I'll have to get out my English-Russian dictionary to see how to say "Never Going To Happen" in Russian...


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post Apr 15 2008, 07:58 PM
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Doesn't really look like they'll be simulating anything else but increased radiation flux; saw no mention of actually launching them for zero-gee exposure. (Come to that, how in heck would you keep monkeys alive for a couple of years in space unattended? For starters, they're sure not gonna learn how to use the vacuum toilet, and unless they were restrained--which surely would defeat many of the objectives of the experiment--they'd tear the ship up in short order. I'd give it like a week at the most.)

An overblown story, I'd say, and the animal rights activists are going to give them pure hell regardless...don't envy 'em at all.


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post Apr 16 2008, 02:37 AM
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I have to say... this is the most attention grabbing thread topic name I have ever seen on UMSF. But let's hope it doesn't go any further than these headlines.
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post Apr 16 2008, 02:53 AM
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QUOTE (DFinfrock @ Apr 15 2008, 07:37 PM) *
I have to say... this is the most attention grabbing thread topic name I have ever seen on UMSF.


smile.gif ...yeah. If this was a 1950s B-movie title, I'd probably rent it...


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post Apr 16 2008, 03:13 AM
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Great, just great. All the contamination issues of a manned flight (or more), with none of the benefits. That is, unless they can find a monkey with a degree in geology.
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post Apr 16 2008, 03:39 AM
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QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Apr 15 2008, 07:13 PM) *
Great, just great. All the contamination issues of a manned flight (or more), with none of the benefits.


Wasn't gonna go there, but pretty safe to vote on the side of "or more"..."filthy minkey!!!"... rolleyes.gif


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post Apr 16 2008, 04:20 AM
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QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Apr 16 2008, 03:13 AM) *
Great, just great. All the contamination issues of a manned flight (or more), with none of the benefits. That is, unless they can find a monkey with a degree in geology.


Would contamination be an issue for just a circummartian flight and return? I don't think that landing monkeys would even be possible.

Nobody ever sent monkeys to the Moon AFAIK. There was, however, a circumlunar flight of tortoises.
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post Apr 16 2008, 06:19 AM
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...circumlunar flight of tortoises

Never heard of it.
I guess all the media attention was on the flight of hares.
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Edit: Russian monkeys to Mars
I guess this was inevitable. The LEO tourists weren't bad enough.


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post Apr 16 2008, 07:37 AM
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It would happen, you know it would...

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post Apr 16 2008, 01:37 PM
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I guess they figured that if Bigfoot could survive at the Gusev site, then...


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QUOTE (David @ Apr 15 2008, 11:20 PM) *
Would contamination be an issue for just a circummartian flight and return?


It's buried deep in the article, but here is the quote: Mars-500 director Viktor Baranov says 520 days "are enough for the flight to Mars - 250 days to fly there, 250 days to come back and a month for the landing on Mars".

Yeah. One misfiring rocket, bad parachute, software glitch, or all the above, and then we have a ton of monkey manure scattered from Xanthe to Hellas and back again. After that, we may as well use Mars for a landfill site.

BTW, I vaguely remember that one or more of the Zond flights did carry bio specimens, and that live tortoises were indeed among them.
EDIT: It was Zond 5 in September 1968. Zond 6 - which failed - might have had them, too.
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QUOTE (Stu @ Apr 15 2008, 11:37 PM) *
It would happen, you know it would...


Good example, Stu. See, that astronaut is clearly using his waste handling system properly at that very moment, unlike a monkey...


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