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May 28 2008, 06:27 PM
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Keeping with the practice of sol-by-sol discussions, here it is.
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May 28 2008, 06:34 PM
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LOL The press have such short attention spans. The mission has hardly started and most of them have gone. lol
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May 28 2008, 09:08 PM
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LOL The press have such short attention spans. The mission has hardly started and most of them have gone. lol A few media outlets (worst of all, DrudgeReport) overhyped the mission with headlines like "Life on Mars?" which would naturally give the readership a hangover when they find out: that absolutely no evidence of any kind has yet been collected by the mission; that the instruments on the mission are not even capable of detecting life when they do start operating. For those people who read headlines alone, the discovery of life on Mars is already ancient history, even though it never happened. But it will continue to "happen" every few years. |
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May 29 2008, 04:54 AM
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the instruments on the mission are not even capable of detecting life when they do start operating. I've been wondering about that. Are they going to vaporize all the H2O they collect to analyze it for organic compounds? If I ran the zoo, I would definitely take a bit of ice, at least once, gently warm it to 5 degrees C or so, and turn the microscope loose on the liquid results. Long shot? Sure, but worth trying. Does anyone know these sorts of details about the science plan? and about what exactly the microsope is intended to examine? Mineral/crystal/etc. structures and (conceivably) oven-safe fossils only?? |
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May 29 2008, 12:53 PM
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Are they going to vaporize all the H2O they collect to analyze it for organic compounds? If I ran the zoo, I would definitely take a bit of ice, at least once, gently warm it to 5 degrees C or so, and turn the microscope loose on the liquid results. Long shot? Sure, but worth trying. Does anyone know these sorts of details about the science plan? and about what exactly the microsope is intended to examine? Mineral/crystal/etc. structures and (conceivably) oven-safe fossils only?? Good thing you dont run the zoo. If you warmed the ice to 5 deg C it would boil away quickly. Even exposed ice may sublime away in minutes-hours. The ovens in TEGA are about 3mm in dia (see http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~rlorenz/TEGA.pdf ) so you can't get a microscope (which is an entirely different instrument elsewhere on the lander) into them (the point is after all to seal the oven (and once you seal each one, you cant unseal it) so you can look for water vapor, organics etc that are evolved. NB big difference between TEGA on MPL and TEGA-II on PHX is that while the TA ovens are the same, the EGA is very different - an absorption spectrometer for CO2 and H2O on TEGA-1, but a mass spec for TEGA-II that might also detect organics. But I dont think soil sampling is planned for a few sols yet. |
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May 29 2008, 01:03 PM
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Still another day of arm unstow yet.
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djellison Sol 3 and onwards - imaging May 28 2008, 06:27 PM
stevelu QUOTE (rlorenz @ May 29 2008, 04:53 AM) G... May 29 2008, 05:38 PM
kwan3217 Well, its getting to the point where they are sayi... May 28 2008, 06:35 PM
djellison Not Sol 3 related - but it's a graphic image p... May 28 2008, 06:36 PM
imipak QUOTE (djellison @ May 28 2008, 06:36 PM)... May 28 2008, 07:45 PM
Pando QUOTE (imipak @ May 28 2008, 12:45 PM) he... May 29 2008, 04:55 AM
volcanopele It is probably the "You mean, we have to repo... May 28 2008, 06:48 PM
elakdawalla Actually, a lot of the press from JPL were headed ... May 28 2008, 07:24 PM
ElkGroveDan It looks as though you and Doug have discovered a ... May 28 2008, 07:57 PM
imipak Doug discovered it first... I suppose that makes i... May 28 2008, 08:48 PM
kungpostyle QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ May 28 2008, 02:57 P... May 28 2008, 08:19 PM
Juramike I'm just curious, and horribly addicted: Whic... May 28 2008, 09:21 PM
um3k University of Arizona seems to post the images as ... May 28 2008, 09:37 PM
volcanopele Emily, the workspace mosaic you said you couldn... May 28 2008, 09:37 PM
elakdawalla Thanks. I was looking at the NASA site for images... May 28 2008, 10:04 PM
volcanopele I just used the Phoenix website's gallery page... May 28 2008, 10:27 PM
mars loon At today's press conference, both the lack of ... May 29 2008, 12:49 AM
stellarlight Hi!
Have you seen this news?
http://www.esa.i... May 29 2008, 12:51 AM
centsworth_II QUOTE (stellarlight @ May 28 2008, 08:51 ... May 29 2008, 05:24 AM
elakdawalla If you want to post a few here, go ahead and I... May 29 2008, 01:20 AM
Gladstoner Question 1: "Do you have a workaround for the... May 29 2008, 01:36 AM
nprev Okay, thanks! Here's a few; pick any you w... May 29 2008, 02:26 AM
Steve G Any idea if they intend - or are able - to use the... May 29 2008, 02:35 AM
nprev I think MARDI is still very much an open issue, bu... May 29 2008, 02:45 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (nprev @ May 28 2008, 06:45 PM) It ... May 29 2008, 03:54 AM
Zeehond QUOTE (mcaplinger @ May 29 2008, 05:54 AM... May 29 2008, 04:06 AM
Reed QUOTE (Zeehond @ May 28 2008, 09:06 PM) T... May 29 2008, 04:18 AM
Zeehond QUOTE (Reed @ May 29 2008, 06:18 AM) This... May 29 2008, 04:21 AM
Aussie I like nprev's question on any preliminary gu... May 29 2008, 03:07 AM
helvick Some more questions for Emily (or anyone who can a... May 29 2008, 07:25 AM
Zeehond New pictures are coming in now. The arm has moved. May 29 2008, 03:28 AM
hal_9000 Anyone plan record the press conference? May 29 2008, 03:47 AM
Zeehond QUOTE (hal_9000 @ May 29 2008, 05:47 AM) ... May 29 2008, 03:55 AM
bgarlick and the non-fisheye panaorama...
http://phoenix.l... May 29 2008, 04:29 AM
tim53 QUOTE (bgarlick @ May 28 2008, 08:29 PM) ... May 29 2008, 04:49 AM
Joffan QUOTE (tim53 @ May 28 2008, 09:49 PM) Sad... May 29 2008, 06:19 AM
Josh Cryer Quite enjoying the rawness of these new images... May 29 2008, 04:39 AM
Zeehond QUOTE (Josh Cryer @ May 29 2008, 06:39 AM... May 29 2008, 04:44 AM
Josh Cryer QUOTE (Zeehond @ May 28 2008, 09:44 PM) A... May 29 2008, 09:22 AM
volcanopele QUOTE (Zeehond @ May 28 2008, 09:44 PM) A... May 29 2008, 05:33 AM
Reed These birds eye views really bring out the polygon... May 29 2008, 06:01 AM
CosmicRocker The polygons are gorgeous, and are probably the la... May 29 2008, 06:50 AM
jamescanvin Nice new pics.
For those of you waiting for me to... May 29 2008, 07:36 AM
Phil Stooke "Me, I'm a horizon kind of guy."
Ye... May 29 2008, 07:53 AM
Juramike Coordinated view of my pseudocolor HiRISE image an... May 29 2008, 12:09 PM
hal_9000 Moving... May 29 2008, 12:13 PM
Pertinax Even more questions for Emily (or anyone who can a... May 29 2008, 01:36 PM
Sunspot QUOTE (Pertinax @ May 29 2008, 02:36 PM) ... May 29 2008, 01:49 PM
Pertinax QUOTE (Sunspot @ May 29 2008, 09:49 AM) I... May 29 2008, 02:29 PM
Sunspot QUOTE (Pertinax @ May 29 2008, 03:29 PM) ... May 29 2008, 03:02 PM
Pedro_Sondas The scoop:
and the RAC:
http://phoenix.lp... May 29 2008, 02:28 PM
djellison It would be sort of cool to see the RAC with the ... May 29 2008, 02:30 PM
ustrax I am happy...
On the 8th year of the 21st century ... May 29 2008, 02:35 PM
Stu Oh dear god, we've created a monster! A MO... May 29 2008, 02:40 PM
Sunspot ....and the rest of the article. May 29 2008, 03:04 PM
hendric Q: Can Phoenix wake in the spring without its batt... May 29 2008, 03:13 PM
djellison QUOTE (hendric @ May 29 2008, 04:13 PM) Q... May 29 2008, 03:40 PM
Stu Here's a question for you Emily (or any Phoeni... May 29 2008, 03:50 PM
jamescanvin As some of you may have noticed (thanks Algorimanc... May 29 2008, 04:34 PM
Steve G Just completed watching the latest news conferance... May 29 2008, 06:32 PM
djellison QUOTE (Steve G @ May 29 2008, 07:32 PM) y... May 29 2008, 06:48 PM
Stu Starting to name rocks and features around the lan... May 29 2008, 06:34 PM
Juramike QUOTE (Stu @ May 29 2008, 01:34 PM) Start... May 29 2008, 06:51 PM
volcanopele A few thoughts from the press conference:
1) Emil... May 29 2008, 06:38 PM
Steve G Too bad they didn't take the weight of the MAR... May 29 2008, 06:43 PM
volcanopele From today's press release mosaic, a crop show... May 29 2008, 07:01 PM
punkboi Go Phoenix! Waiting on the full-color panoram... May 29 2008, 07:03 PM
Steve G Good shot (inverted up) to show scoop and deck. May 29 2008, 07:04 PM
jamescanvin Well you've all already seen a version of this... May 29 2008, 08:11 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (jamescanvin @ May 29 2008, 02:11 P... May 29 2008, 11:05 PM
ahecht QUOTE (Steve G @ May 29 2008, 02:32 PM) J... May 29 2008, 08:16 PM
djellison Phoenix - in TallovisioN - WAY more horizon relief... May 29 2008, 08:18 PM
climber QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2008, 10:18 PM)... May 29 2008, 08:35 PM
Juramike QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2008, 03:18 PM)... May 29 2008, 08:42 PM
Nix QUOTE (djellison @ May 29 2008, 10:18 PM)... May 29 2008, 10:18 PM
JRehling QUOTE (djellison @ May 28 2008, 11:27 AM)... May 29 2008, 08:30 PM
djellison Open to suggestions on how to manage it especially... May 29 2008, 08:34 PM
elakdawalla For those of you who only use inches as units for ... May 29 2008, 09:04 PM
ugordan Ahhhh... The metric system. I heard about that one... May 29 2008, 09:07 PM
climber QUOTE (elakdawalla @ May 29 2008, 11:04 P... May 29 2008, 09:10 PM

Graham QUOTE (climber @ May 29 2008, 10:10 PM) T... May 29 2008, 09:39 PM

ddeerrff QUOTE (climber @ May 29 2008, 04:10 PM) T... May 29 2008, 09:59 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (elakdawalla @ May 29 2008, 01:04 P... May 29 2008, 09:41 PM
PFK That's instructive, but left me with a horribl... May 29 2008, 09:48 PM
ElkGroveDan I was just going for familiarity. May 29 2008, 09:56 PM
PFK QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ May 29 2008, 10:56 P... May 29 2008, 10:10 PM
Juramike Is there a site that has past Phoenix mission brie... May 29 2008, 09:58 PM
ugordan QUOTE (Juramike @ May 29 2008, 11:58 PM) ... May 29 2008, 10:06 PM
CAP-Team Here's a Dutch commercial for an insurance com... May 29 2008, 10:48 PM
bgarlick Is there a way to know when each day's picture... May 29 2008, 11:29 PM
Reed QUOTE (bgarlick @ May 29 2008, 03:29 PM) ... May 30 2008, 12:55 AM
Fred Maybe I hadn't been following the mission clos... May 30 2008, 12:21 AM
nilstycho Mars Descent Imager (MARDI) was on Phoenix, but it... May 30 2008, 12:29 AM
bgarlick New images arriving.
Is this solid ice exposed by... May 30 2008, 03:13 AM
um3k http://fawkes3.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=0... May 30 2008, 03:13 AM![]() ![]() |
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