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Phoenix over Heimdall Crater, - a signature image in space exploration |
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May 28 2008, 07:03 PM
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Rob Manning of EDL fame wrote this in another thread, which was closed, so I couldn't reply in there. Anyway, I think that this image surely deserves a thread of its own.
Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good. When my LMA friends, Wayne, Tim P and Tim G suggested that I seriously look into taking the Phoenix descent image, I had to push it. They were right on many levels. I am embarrassed to say that I never once looked into what we might see in the background as MRO/HiRISE scanned over the landing ellipse. We had the viewing geometry at our figure tips but we did not look. In fact we did not look at the wide shot with Heimdall in the background until late on Sol 1. I saw the image late yesterday and, like many people who see it the first time, I though it was a fake. A couple of minutes later I had it on my laptop in an email attachment from the HiRISE team. I had been so focused on whether the image would reveal sufficient parachute fault data (and earlier on whether it would result in a risk to MRO's UHF data collection during entry) that I failed to imagine the big picture. Maybe I couldn't. Rob, it will become one of the signature images of space exploration. Up there with Apollo 8 Earthrise, The Pillars of Creation, and Pantheon, Earth and Moon. ...(just kidding about the last one, I took it of the oculus of the Pantheon in Rome What a wonderful story this is. Despite the meticulous planning that went into the HiRise shot, despite the effort of tracking, slewing, yawing and whatnot of the MRO, despite all of that, serendipity took you all on a crazy roller-coaster ride of discovery and threw in this awe-inspiring background by complete chance! Part of what defines a great photo is the framing. And what do you know: ALL of Heimdal crater is included in the shot! - How perfect is that? - Had it been cropped, the image would still have been fantastic, just for the engineering effort that went into it and for capturing Phoenix. With the whole crater included it moves from engineering excellence to a Work of Art. Perfect framing, and perfect 16:9 aspect ratio for that Hi-definition viewing experience Part of what defines a great photo is timing, and as a result of that, composition. Henri Cartier-Bresson was the acknowledged master ("Man Jumping Over Puddle"). Again, you guys painstakingly did all you could to assure that HiRise would capture the right instant. But AGAIN serendipity totally took over and delivered perfect composition! - Little Phoenix could NOT have been placed better against the backdrop of the crater: with the crater's edge drawing an ellipse, the lander is almost exactly in the left-most focus point, with an uncluttered background and in perfect counterpoint to the more feature-rich right-side of the crater bowl. In my country we have a saying that goes more or less like this: you have to strive for it, if you want to get lucky. The group behind "Phoenix over Heimdall crater" certainly got lucky, but you ONLY got lucky because you strived for this shot. You worked hard and intelligently, and for that Mother Nature rewarded you MORE than handsomely. This picture will be there when we are all gone (my take on how to present it): ![]() Poster-size version here |
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Jun 1 2008, 11:30 AM
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was checking the phoenix landing site on MOLA map by MGS and noted the relatively low altitude below the average reference ground level for Mars;I think it must be between 0 to 4km below the average;then i just checked the southern cap which lies on a considerably higher ground(between 0 to 3km above the reference point);it looks like Phoenix had an extra 4km or so of atmosphere to slow down compared to MPL which we know crashed....any ideas /suggestions on this?
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Jun 1 2008, 12:26 PM
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it looks like Phoenix had an extra 4km or so of atmosphere to slow down compared to MPL which we know crashed....any ideas /suggestions on this? If I recall correctly, a "low" altitude that was one of the engineering constraints for the landing site selection. Wasn't it like min MOLA -2.5km or so? The extra atmosphere (length of flight and density) does add to the effectiveness of the parachute. But they knew the landing altitude for the MPL lander and the EDL there was designed accordingly - a possible cause being discussed is that the MPL 'thought' it had touched the ground when it was actually still 50m or so up, rather than the atmosphere being too thin (as was a problem for Beagle2 / Spirit / Opportunity) -------------------- |
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Oersted Phoenix over Heimdall Crater May 28 2008, 07:03 PM
As old as Voyager It is a truley breathtaking image and composition.... May 28 2008, 08:13 PM
kenny Agreed, it is an utterly iconic image.
However, t... May 28 2008, 08:16 PM
Oersted It is a particuliarity about the image that the ... May 28 2008, 08:35 PM
As old as Voyager Blown up to huge proportions it would be stunning.... May 28 2008, 08:31 PM
paxdan i'd like to see a video with a zoom in, ending... May 28 2008, 08:40 PM
Oersted BTW, for those who don't know: Heimdall is a G... May 28 2008, 09:11 PM
GuyMac One of the Tucson newspapers, the Arizona Daily St... May 28 2008, 09:48 PM
PFK QUOTE (Oersted @ May 28 2008, 08:03 PM) R... May 28 2008, 09:59 PM
dburt QUOTE (PFK @ May 28 2008, 02:59 PM) Quite... May 29 2008, 07:04 PM
TheChemist This image most surely needs a warning note though... May 28 2008, 10:52 PM
nprev It's a bit hard to describe what this image re... May 28 2008, 11:10 PM
SpaceListener At the first, the mentioned picture has scared me ... May 29 2008, 12:12 AM
nprev True...makes you think of the awesome vistas that ... May 29 2008, 12:19 AM
rlorenz QUOTE (nprev @ May 28 2008, 08:19 PM) Tru... May 29 2008, 12:27 AM
nprev QUOTE (rlorenz @ May 28 2008, 05:27 PM) A... May 29 2008, 01:04 AM
mars loon QUOTE (Oersted @ May 28 2008, 08:03 PM) I... May 29 2008, 01:46 AM
tuvas As to the frequent comments of looking for the hea... May 29 2008, 02:26 AM
Tesheiner I, like others, am also of the opinion that the zo... May 29 2008, 09:44 AM
ugordan QUOTE (Tesheiner @ May 29 2008, 11:44 AM)... May 29 2008, 10:26 AM
fredk About the zoom box, I almost feel guilty nitpickin... May 29 2008, 02:48 PM
um3k I noticed that too, fredk. May 29 2008, 03:00 PM
Ant103 Fredk : maybe something like this? May 29 2008, 03:35 PM
fredk Beautiful, Ant! And I see you've got the ... May 29 2008, 03:46 PM
elakdawalla Looks a bit pumpkin-orange to me -- I'd prefer... May 29 2008, 03:50 PM
helvick I like the idea of making it a colour image but I ... May 29 2008, 05:28 PM
stevelu QUOTE (helvick @ May 29 2008, 09:28 AM) I... May 29 2008, 06:56 PM
Ant103 Okay Emily . An other try with a bit desaturation ... May 29 2008, 04:12 PM
GuyMac We have made higher resolution versions available ... May 29 2008, 04:32 PM
volcanopele QUOTE (GuyMac @ May 29 2008, 09:32 AM) I... May 29 2008, 04:47 PM
GuyMac QUOTE (GuyMac @ May 29 2008, 09:32 AM) I... May 29 2008, 05:35 PM
elakdawalla Awesome, GuyMac, thanks. I assume the answer to t... May 29 2008, 04:37 PM
GuyMac QUOTE (elakdawalla @ May 29 2008, 09:37 A... May 29 2008, 04:59 PM
ElkGroveDan I was thinking the same thing about the color in t... May 29 2008, 04:50 PM
MarsEngineer Wow. I am glad that you all feel the same about th... May 29 2008, 05:22 PM
Tman Could that be the heat shield? It looks rounder an... May 29 2008, 05:39 PM
ugordan Looks to me to be in the wrong direction. I'd ... May 29 2008, 05:57 PM
GuyMac QUOTE (ugordan @ May 29 2008, 10:57 AM) L... May 29 2008, 10:18 PM
ugordan LOL, yes I didn't mean color, it was a typo. I... May 29 2008, 10:23 PM
tim53 QUOTE (ugordan @ May 29 2008, 02:23 PM) I... May 30 2008, 12:26 AM
ugordan QUOTE (tim53 @ May 30 2008, 02:26 AM) I... May 30 2008, 07:44 AM
dmuller QUOTE (ugordan @ May 30 2008, 05:44 PM) S... May 30 2008, 09:26 AM
ugordan QUOTE (dmuller @ May 30 2008, 11:26 AM) t... May 30 2008, 09:44 AM
tim53 QUOTE (dmuller @ May 30 2008, 02:26 AM) t... May 30 2008, 05:34 PM
djellison I'd expect the heat shield to be below, and a ... May 29 2008, 06:20 PM
ugordan I'd like to know more about the geometry of th... May 29 2008, 06:32 PM
Tman QUOTE (ugordan @ May 29 2008, 08:32 PM) I... May 29 2008, 07:37 PM
tuvas The dot being the heat shield is a strong possibil... May 29 2008, 06:27 PM
Stu I kinda like these colours...
Hope you don... May 29 2008, 07:05 PM
ugordan My goofy whack at colorization here. May 29 2008, 07:38 PM

Shaka QUOTE (ugordan @ May 29 2008, 09:38 AM) M... May 29 2008, 09:46 PM
imipak QUOTE (Stu @ May 29 2008, 07:05 PM) I kin... May 29 2008, 07:41 PM
ahecht QUOTE (fredk @ May 29 2008, 10:48 AM) Abo... May 29 2008, 08:05 PM
ilbasso My first reaction on seeing Phoenix over the crate... May 29 2008, 08:29 PM
dvandorn Yep -- except that was Pete Conrad yelling, not Al... May 29 2008, 08:35 PM
Nix I messed around a bit in PS with the 'match co... May 29 2008, 10:09 PM
Astro0 OK, here's my version of the Heimdall image.
C... May 29 2008, 10:34 PM
Astro0 And the desktop version.
Astro0
PS: There is a m... May 29 2008, 10:36 PM
Oersted Astro, sorry, thanks but no thanks! - I think ... May 29 2008, 10:46 PM
helvick Agree 100% with Oersted on this - there is the pot... May 29 2008, 11:21 PM
Astro0 Sorry you didn't like it
It's an "a... May 29 2008, 11:38 PM
lyford QUOTE (Astro0 @ May 29 2008, 03:38 PM) Is... May 30 2008, 01:19 AM
Oersted QUOTE (Astro0 @ May 30 2008, 01:38 AM) So... May 30 2008, 11:46 AM
ElkGroveDan I liked it. May 29 2008, 11:51 PM
nprev Astro0, I like both the artist's impression (w... May 30 2008, 01:41 AM
Shaka AstroO, me old matey, I'd parachute from a pla... May 30 2008, 01:51 AM
Astro0 Shaka, you bring up an interesting point. If we di... May 30 2008, 02:38 AM
glennwsmith I think this image captures the essence of the hum... May 30 2008, 03:07 AM
ilbasso QUOTE (glennwsmith @ May 29 2008, 10:07 P... May 30 2008, 03:30 AM
Pando I made a quick movie out of this. Crank up the sou... May 30 2008, 07:13 AM
imipak QUOTE (Pando @ May 30 2008, 07:13 AM) I m... May 30 2008, 07:49 AM
PFK QUOTE (Pando @ May 30 2008, 08:13 AM) I m... May 30 2008, 08:50 PM
Shaka If I were Ustrax, I'd hug you, Pando, if you d... May 30 2008, 07:35 AM
Tesheiner QUOTE (tuvas @ May 29 2008, 08:27 PM) The... May 30 2008, 08:28 AM
Tman QUOTE (Tesheiner @ May 30 2008, 10:28 AM)... May 30 2008, 10:48 AM
Oersted QUOTE (Tesheiner @ May 30 2008, 10:28 AM)... May 30 2008, 11:43 AM
djellison What are your thoughts on B2 Tim? I can consign ... May 30 2008, 06:07 PM
Reed Full inline quote removed - Doug
It will be very ... May 30 2008, 08:39 PM

tim53 QUOTE (Reed @ May 30 2008, 12:39 PM) Full... May 30 2008, 10:30 PM
tim53 QUOTE (djellison @ May 30 2008, 10:07 AM)... May 30 2008, 10:28 PM
Eric Hartwell There's an RGB slice of the crater rim in Heim... May 30 2008, 10:49 PM
jumpjack Sorry guys, I can't understand a thing:
is thi... May 31 2008, 12:55 PM
djellison QUOTE (jumpjack @ May 31 2008, 01:55 PM) ... May 31 2008, 04:52 PM
Oersted It IS true that the smaller image shown above for ... May 31 2008, 07:03 PM
DaveM full inline quote removed - Doug
The parachute im... May 31 2008, 08:06 PM
djellison I've put together an animation of what I think... May 31 2008, 08:25 PM
Oersted sounds good, can't wait! Jun 1 2008, 08:18 AM
Stu OVER HEIMDALL
Look…
Two specks. Two snowflake fl... Jun 1 2008, 10:09 AM
djellison Zooming from 700km to 50m, 1 deg FOV to 45deg FOV ... Jun 1 2008, 11:24 AM
Julius dont know whether it is the right place to comment... Jun 1 2008, 11:58 AM
djellison Simulation movie - http://www.dougellison.com/?p=1... Jun 1 2008, 12:59 PM
Airbag QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 1 2008, 07:59 AM) ... Jun 1 2008, 01:14 PM
ilbasso Beautifully done! That puts it into context v... Jun 1 2008, 01:13 PM
Ant103 Very good animation who showing exactly the contex... Jun 1 2008, 01:18 PM
djellison The 'zoom out- zoom in' is actually the ca... Jun 1 2008, 02:45 PM
Airbag Or perhaps start with the wide angle view, then ... Jun 1 2008, 03:07 PM
glennwsmith Stu, you have lived up to your title of Poet Laure... Jun 1 2008, 03:24 PM
nprev Whoa... ...VERY cool animation, Doug, thanks... Jun 1 2008, 03:47 PM![]() ![]() |
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