To the Cape! (part 2), For real this time! |
To the Cape! (part 2), For real this time! |
Jun 13 2008, 08:10 AM
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Jun 28 2008, 05:55 AM
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Ultimately, these questions all hearken back to the formation of the cape-and-bay crater rim. Why are the bays eroded down the strata at a 20 - 30 degree angle, while the capes are cut down more or less vertically. I can't believe that this is due to a more resistant sediment formation in the capes, neatly interspersed with less resistant strata in the bays. Until somebody lays out a plausible hypothesis for the formation of Victoria's sinuous rim, I don't think this little microcosmic curiosity at the base of one cape can be understood.
-------------------- My Grandpa goes to Mars every day and all I get are these lousy T-shirts!
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Jun 28 2008, 07:31 AM
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Why are the bays eroded down the strata at a 20 - 30 degree angle, while the capes are cut down more or less vertically. Primarily: Capes have greater exposure to the prominent erosion forces - prevailing winds. As a result they are in a less stable vertical condition. The bays are set back and more sheltered from the prevailing winds so they are older and have had time to slump. As an example go dig some holes in your yard, one each month. After a year see what the sides of the holes are like. The newest holes will have the steepest sides, the older holes will have slumped in on themselves. Secondarily: The capes by virtue of their recessed shape are traps for the heavier particles that the winds are unable to lift from the crater. This back and forth of capes and bays likely occurs in a manner analogous to a meandering stream. Over the eons the shapes will migrate back and forth as bays fill up and capes are eroded away...and the crater grows ever larger (assuming some external condition doesn't cause it to become filled in by migrating sand dunes or such.) -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Jun 28 2008, 08:21 AM
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This back and forth of capes and bays likely occurs in a manner analogous to a meandering stream. Over the eons the shapes will migrate back and forth as bays fill up and capes are eroded away...and the crater grows ever larger (assuming some external condition doesn't cause it to become filled in by migrating sand dunes or such.) The problem with this argument if I understand it correctly is that the capes consist of ancient undisturbed strata and not the recent deposits you would see on the bank of a river. I think that the argument only works if Victoria crater is getting bigger at the same sort of rate that the capes are moving. Then there would always be a supply of fresh undisturbed strata from which to carve out the new capes. |
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Jun 28 2008, 04:06 PM
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The problem with this argument if I understand it correctly is that the capes consist of ancient undisturbed strata and not the recent deposits you would see on the bank of a river. It's not true that the deposits on the banks of a river are necessarily recent. Rivers cut through some very, very old layers just as the wind on Mars is doing. Take a trip to the bottom of the Grand Canyon. There are entire banks in places made of Vishnu Schist which is 1.7 billion years old. The same is true the world over. In fact the best way to locate old layers is to examine the banks of a river (when there is no convenient road-cut nearby.) -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Tesheiner To the Cape! (part 2) Jun 13 2008, 08:10 AM
MahFL They are nice pictures. Makes a change to see some... Jun 13 2008, 10:38 AM
fredk It's great to see us thoroughly out of the Qua... Jun 13 2008, 03:16 PM
Tesheiner Before the, mmm, "event", I thought Oppo... Jun 13 2008, 08:56 PM
alan Winter Solstice occurs in the southern hemisphere ... Jun 13 2008, 11:24 PM
Tesheiner Neither the black not the white path, Opportunity ... Jun 16 2008, 09:43 AM
Astro0 A lo-res SFX view based on Tesheiner's positio... Jun 17 2008, 06:56 AM
mhoward QUOTE (Astro0 @ Jun 17 2008, 12:56 AM) A ... Jun 18 2008, 12:38 AM
Tman And overcomes sand traps again and chocks like thi... Jun 17 2008, 07:50 AM
Tesheiner I was a bit afraid with the path they were taking ... Jun 17 2008, 10:11 AM
fredk QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jun 17 2008, 10:11 AM)... Jun 17 2008, 02:53 PM
climber You may say that it's easy to say it now, but ... Jun 17 2008, 11:21 AM
Stu Nice view...
Jun 17 2008, 02:14 PM
Tesheiner We are getting closer!
This is from today... Jun 18 2008, 10:17 AM
fredk And the maneuvering at the end of the drive shows ... Jun 18 2008, 02:56 PM
fredk Another big drive downslope tosol (1565). The nav... Jun 19 2008, 03:32 PM
Tesheiner QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 19 2008, 05:32 PM) The... Jun 20 2008, 10:45 AM
jamescanvin QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jun 20 2008, 11:45 AM)... Jun 20 2008, 10:59 AM
climber We're gonna need your "man in black... Jun 19 2008, 04:45 PM
lyford Sweet Fancy Moses! So nice to be moving again... Jun 19 2008, 09:02 PM
Zeke4ther This cliff structure reminds me of sandstones I sa... Jun 19 2008, 11:15 PM
AndyG Assuming the range is 16m or so, and our fredk is ... Jun 20 2008, 08:47 AM
ngunn Looks like the perfect spot for another picnic. Jun 20 2008, 09:20 AM
peter59 QUOTE (ngunn @ Jun 20 2008, 09:20 AM) Loo... Jun 20 2008, 09:37 AM
peter59 We are very near.
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars... Jun 20 2008, 09:58 AM
Tman Looks like it's a popular place here - someone... Jun 20 2008, 12:45 PM
mhoward A few frames from an imaginary movie "zooming... Jun 20 2008, 01:08 PM
Stu Yes! THIS is what we came all this way to see... Jun 20 2008, 01:59 PM
lyford "MY GOD! IT'S FULL OF BAKLAVA!... Jun 20 2008, 03:15 PM
Doc I must say this is an impressive view of the Cape.... Jun 21 2008, 08:43 AM
fredk Do you folks remember this Victoria's wishlist... Jun 21 2008, 02:36 PM
ElkGroveDan I am drooling at the prospect of seeing a nice cle... Jun 21 2008, 02:52 PM
Astro0 QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jun 20 2008, 08:45 PM)... Jun 21 2008, 11:25 PM
Sunspot What happened to yesterdays downlink? Or did they... Jun 22 2008, 07:46 AM
jamescanvin No day off, there was a drive planned yesterday ac... Jun 22 2008, 10:00 AM
peter59 No comment !
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mar... Jun 22 2008, 12:37 PM
ugordan QUOTE (peter59 @ Jun 22 2008, 02:37 PM) N... Jun 22 2008, 12:50 PM
nprev ...well, there went my socks! Jun 22 2008, 12:48 PM
jamescanvin I think the front hazcam is my favourite
htt... Jun 22 2008, 12:49 PM
BrianL Looks like a "toe dip" onto the scree (i... Jun 22 2008, 01:41 PM
jamescanvin Navcam Pan
Jun 22 2008, 02:36 PM
mhoward QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Jun 22 2008, 07:36 A... Jun 22 2008, 03:21 PM

ElkGroveDan QUOTE (mhoward @ Jun 22 2008, 07:21 AM) I... Jun 22 2008, 03:37 PM
Tesheiner QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Jun 22 2008, 04:36 P... Jun 22 2008, 05:19 PM
Aussie Go Oppy! Take the limelight back from that ... Jun 23 2008, 07:07 AM
Stu New pancam images are up...
http://qt.exploratori... Jun 23 2008, 12:07 PM
fredk QUOTE (Stu @ Jun 23 2008, 12:07 PM) New p... Jun 23 2008, 02:43 PM
Stu QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 23 2008, 03:43 PM) I h... Jun 23 2008, 03:00 PM
Bill Harris What do you mean? The pancams of the cliff are ex... Jun 23 2008, 12:43 PM
brellis After four+ years, my jaw still hangs open at what... Jun 23 2008, 12:46 PM
Stu Well, good luck "processing" something o... Jun 23 2008, 12:46 PM
DEChengst Three frame stitch:
http://paranoid.dechengst.nl... Jun 23 2008, 04:05 PM
mhoward Yeah that overexposed stuff is from sol 1562 (seve... Jun 24 2008, 12:24 AM
peter59 I have great expectations.
Sol Seq.Ver ETH ES... Jun 24 2008, 06:58 AM
fredk One of the first closeup pancams, from sol 1570:
h... Jun 24 2008, 02:39 PM
DEChengst I truly suck at color correction(tm):
http://para... Jun 24 2008, 03:47 PM
Stu Rockhounds... prepare to go "Oooooooooooooooo... Jun 24 2008, 07:16 PM
Tman Nice contrast at ~14:40 LTST Jun 24 2008, 07:26 PM
Stu Best I can do... others will do waay better, I kno... Jun 24 2008, 08:11 PM
Stu ... and I don't know about anyone else, but I... Jun 24 2008, 09:47 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Stu @ Jun 24 2008, 01:47 PM) ... a... Jun 24 2008, 10:33 PM
nprev Yes...it is never safe to underestimate the reach ... Jun 24 2008, 11:10 PM
dvandorn QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 24 2008, 06:10 PM) Yes... Jun 25 2008, 04:17 AM
ToSeek QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 24 2008, 07:10 PM) Yes... Jun 25 2008, 07:18 PM
peter59 I was slightly disappointed yesterday, but I have ... Jun 25 2008, 06:32 AM
Stu Oh my...
Jun 25 2008, 12:54 PM
Stu ... and a couple more views before I head out to w... Jun 25 2008, 02:39 PM
jamescanvin Not much of tosols bit has come down, but most of ... Jun 25 2008, 05:57 PM
PaulM QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Jun 25 2008, 06:57 P... Jun 25 2008, 07:08 PM
Tesheiner QUOTE (PaulM @ Jun 25 2008, 09:08 PM) Am ... Jun 26 2008, 03:28 AM
ElkGroveDan Has there been any attempt to correlate the layers... Jun 25 2008, 08:16 PM
antoniseb Opportunity's little Mossbauer unit must be pr... Jun 25 2008, 09:15 PM
Stu Hot off the press...
Jun 26 2008, 03:10 PM
Stu ... and 3D view... Jun 26 2008, 03:18 PM
Stu ... and a bit of the floor, too... lots of rocks O... Jun 26 2008, 03:20 PM
Stu Definitely one of my favourite post-entry views... Jun 26 2008, 03:34 PM
jamescanvin Today's offering.
James Jun 26 2008, 08:22 PM
fredk Another sol, another spectacular set of pancams - ... Jun 27 2008, 04:52 PM
peter59 My favourite views:
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/m... Jun 27 2008, 05:21 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (peter59 @ Jun 27 2008, 11:21 AM) h... Jun 28 2008, 01:38 AM
Juramike QUOTE (algorimancer @ Jun 27 2008, 08:38 ... Jun 28 2008, 02:01 AM
jamescanvin Just one image short of completing the sol 1570/1 ... Jun 27 2008, 06:14 PM
dilo Superb mosaic, James, even with dirt and unfilled ... Jun 27 2008, 10:29 PM
nprev Mmm...differential weathering? I've seen appar... Jun 28 2008, 02:10 AM
SteveM QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 27 2008, 09:10 PM) Mmm... Jun 28 2008, 02:26 PM
Juramike I'm wondering if we are seeing deposition, til... Jun 28 2008, 03:40 AM
Phil Stooke No - much more likely to be just cross-bedding - i... Jun 28 2008, 04:01 AM
Juramike QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jun 27 2008, 11:01 P... Jun 28 2008, 04:23 AM
Bill Harris At first glance it looks like truncated cross-beds... Jun 28 2008, 05:06 AM
Bill Harris Agreed, but I've not been able to wrap my brai... Jun 28 2008, 02:16 PM
Juramike QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Jun 28 2008, 10:16 A... Jun 29 2008, 10:24 PM
centsworth_II Concerning cracks and weathering around Victoria... Jun 28 2008, 02:22 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jun 28 2008, 06:22... Jun 28 2008, 04:10 PM
Doc The question of whether the pattern of the crater ... Jun 29 2008, 10:06 PM
Shaka Why is the rim shape so rare on Mars? Sand and wi... Jun 30 2008, 12:24 AM
Bill Harris I've seen other examples in HiRISE images of s... Jun 30 2008, 12:46 AM![]() ![]() |
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