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Jul 31 2008, 09:04 PM
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Jul 31 2008, 10:22 PM
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![]() The Poet Dude ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Seriously, hasn't anyone else got any thoughts (dismissive or otherwise) on the "Have you briefed the President's Science Advisor?" (re MECA) question by C Covault? I am NOT going all woo-woo here, don't worry, I just thought it was an odd thing to ask... To my ears it sounded like C C was suggesting, subtly, to the panel that he had heard "something" about the MECA analysis and wanted them to comment. The question was brushed aside - rather uncomfortably I thought - and the discussion quickly moved on, but it seemed like a bit of a Moment to me. He actually began, if I remember correctly, by asking where the "MECA guys" were, asking if they had "been hidden under the table"... cue uncomfortable laughs from the panel...
Again, I have to stress, in case anyone thinks I'm 'suggesting' anything, I'm not getting all Muldur here, I was just struck by how out of the blue the question was, and wondered if anyone has any thoughts on it... -------------------- |
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Aug 1 2008, 12:09 AM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Thanks VERY much, Matt; I am now spun up! Re Mr. Covault's enigmatic reply: My best guess still is a probable organic compound detection, which was a prime mission objective (that is, to determine whether they found any or not). Based on what little I know, doubt that TEGA is capable of more startling revelations. To put it in perspective: Nobody's ever found organics on Mars, and conventional wisdom says that they are destroyed upon exposure to the surface UV and/or possible hyperoxides. On the other hand, organics are exceedingly common in the outer Solar System due to a lack of antagonistic environmental influences, but nobody makes a big deal about that fact. So, detection of organic compounds on Mars would certainly be interesting (and amply fulfill a prime mission objective), but not completely unexpected at all, and not necessarily indicative of any need for any further extrapolations from anyone. Could well be carbonaceous meteoritic al a Allende material for all we know. (Am I a buzzkill, or what? -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Aug 1 2008, 12:40 AM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4271 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
Re Mr. Covault's enigmatic reply: My best guess still is a probable organic compound detection... Based on what little I know, doubt that TEGA is capable of more startling revelations. As I recall, the "question" by Covault was in reference to MECA, not TEGA. Also, Smith actually made a blunt statement that "no organic compounds have been detected yet", or words to that effect. As far as the reference to the science advisor, I'd say that was clearly facetious, not at all meant to be serious. |
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Aug 1 2008, 09:54 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4271 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
As far as the reference to the science advisor, I'd say that was clearly facetious, not at all meant to be serious. Sometimes real life is sillier than what you can make up Can any Americans out there give the rest of us some context here - what is the significance of briefing the Presidential Science Advisor's office? Does this happen often? Is the team obligated to do this under certain circumstances? Why do you think they would do this before going public? Etc etc... |
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Aug 2 2008, 12:06 AM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2530 Joined: 20-April 05 Member No.: 321 |
Don't get really worried until there's a press conference announced with representatives of the TEGA team, the MECA team, and the US Strategic Air Command.
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Stu The MECA story Jul 31 2008, 10:22 PM
elakdawalla I've heard some very vague rumor to the effect... Jul 31 2008, 10:31 PM
dmg A) My take on Craig Covault's question about M... Jul 31 2008, 10:34 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Stu @ Jul 31 2008, 02:22 PM) He ac... Jul 31 2008, 10:36 PM
Stu QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jul 31 2008, 11:36 P... Jul 31 2008, 10:40 PM
mars loon QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jul 31 2008, 10:36 P... Aug 1 2008, 12:15 AM
Stu Thanks Emily, that's very interesting. I can... Jul 31 2008, 10:39 PM
Sunspot Presidential advisor's eh??? All very mysterio... Jul 31 2008, 11:16 PM
jmjawors Alright... stupid question time. What difficultie... Jul 31 2008, 11:31 PM
belleraphon1 Agree the MECA team has not had serious problems. ... Aug 1 2008, 01:37 AM
1101001 I put a notice of this in the MECA topic, but Cova... Aug 1 2008, 08:34 PM
Stu Thanks 01 (is it ok if I call you "01"? ... Aug 1 2008, 09:26 PM
TheChemist Hmm, the plot thickens...
Did they found indicati... Aug 1 2008, 09:33 PM
nprev Can I call you by your decimal equivalent, "1... Aug 1 2008, 09:35 PM
ilbasso QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 1 2008, 05:35 PM) Can ... Aug 2 2008, 02:19 AM
Aussie QUOTE (ilbasso @ Aug 2 2008, 03:19 AM) Hi... Aug 2 2008, 02:43 AM
Paul Fjeld Covault is a real professional who has earned some... Aug 2 2008, 03:32 AM
djellison QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 2 2008, 04:32 AM)... Aug 2 2008, 08:34 AM
nprev Fred, to answer your question...no, it's not c... Aug 1 2008, 09:57 PM
djellison Lots of speculative posts in various threads. A ... Aug 1 2008, 10:42 PM
Oersted WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!
Oops,... Aug 1 2008, 11:23 PM
nprev Well, as I just mentioned to a noted forum member,... Aug 1 2008, 11:34 PM
PDP8E my best guess
** methane **
the natural output... Aug 1 2008, 11:37 PM
jmknapp Here's an MP3 clip of Craig Covault's ques... Aug 1 2008, 11:44 PM
1101001 QUOTE (jmknapp @ Aug 1 2008, 04:44 PM) Do... Aug 2 2008, 12:43 AM
nprev I would be extremely cautious about reading more i... Aug 2 2008, 01:00 AM
1101001 QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 1 2008, 06:00 PM) Bott... Aug 2 2008, 01:17 AM
nprev QUOTE (1101001 @ Aug 1 2008, 06:17 PM) Ma... Aug 2 2008, 01:28 AM
Stu QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 2 2008, 02:28 AM) This... Aug 2 2008, 05:57 AM
vjkane Check out http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.ht... Aug 2 2008, 02:35 AM
nprev Mmm...seems like a pretty good analysis from here,... Aug 2 2008, 03:46 AM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 1 2008, 11:46 PM) Didn... Aug 2 2008, 04:14 AM
nprev QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 1 2008, 09:14 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 04:26 AM
Pavel I guess it's a nitrogen compound. Ammonia per... Aug 2 2008, 03:56 AM
nprev That sure sounds like a good guess, Pavel. AFAIK, ... Aug 2 2008, 04:11 AM
Reed QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 1 2008, 08:56 PM) I gu... Aug 2 2008, 07:02 AM
bcory maybe they found an amino acid..
Or just an amine... Aug 2 2008, 04:20 AM
Paul Fjeld One other point re: the press conference. Personal... Aug 2 2008, 04:41 AM
djellison QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 2 2008, 05:41 AM)... Aug 2 2008, 08:26 AM

Paul Fjeld QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 2 2008, 03:26 AM) ... Aug 2 2008, 03:02 PM

Paul Fjeld QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 2 2008, 03:26 AM) ... Aug 2 2008, 03:16 PM

fredk QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 2 2008, 09:26 AM) ... Aug 2 2008, 03:53 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 1 2008, 11:41 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 11:19 AM
jmjawors Nitrogen was my thought as well. They specificall... Aug 2 2008, 04:28 AM
nprev Hmm. Your comment kicked my brain, Jim.
How do N... Aug 2 2008, 04:47 AM
Stu I may be in a minority here (no change there then... Aug 2 2008, 09:29 AM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 2 2008, 04:29 AM) And ag... Aug 2 2008, 03:21 PM
nprev Stu, when I used the term UMSF before I wasn't... Aug 2 2008, 12:54 PM
Stu QUOTE Stu, when I used the term UMSF before I wasn... Aug 2 2008, 01:32 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 2 2008, 06:32 AM) The st... Aug 2 2008, 06:05 PM

Paul Fjeld QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 2 2008, 01:05 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 06:07 PM

djellison QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 2 2008, 07:05 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 07:00 PM

dvandorn QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 2 2008, 02:00 PM) ... Aug 2 2008, 09:21 PM

PFK One minute it was all about ice delivery to ovens,... Aug 2 2008, 09:26 PM

Stu QUOTE (PFK @ Aug 2 2008, 10:26 PM) One mi... Aug 2 2008, 09:34 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 2 2008, 08:32 AM) Shudde... Aug 2 2008, 06:06 PM
imipak Talk about admin headaches - it can't be much ... Aug 2 2008, 04:18 PM
nprev Good post, Fred. No, I don't blame Covault (th... Aug 2 2008, 04:41 PM
Stu Coverage of this story on Universe Today... Aug 2 2008, 05:21 PM
nprev Er....let's not add to the admin's headach... Aug 2 2008, 06:31 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 2 2008, 02:31 PM) Star... Aug 2 2008, 07:12 PM
Stu That's a great shame, because I find NASAWATCH... Aug 2 2008, 06:47 PM
stevesliva I was enjoying both the speculation and the meta c... Aug 2 2008, 07:15 PM
centsworth_II Scientists face increasing pressure from intereste... Aug 2 2008, 08:08 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Aug 2 2008, 04:08 ... Aug 2 2008, 09:07 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 2 2008, 05:07 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 09:52 PM
djellison One thing's for sure - it's going to be an... Aug 2 2008, 08:25 PM
nprev ...good one, PFK!
In a way, I'm honored..... Aug 2 2008, 09:34 PM
gpurcell Just saw a post on this on the general political d... Aug 2 2008, 09:39 PM
nprev Oh, crap. Probably not long at all; propogation ti... Aug 2 2008, 09:41 PM
Stu Well, it's no huge surprise is it? Once the me... Aug 2 2008, 09:51 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 2 2008, 05:51 PM) Well, ... Aug 3 2008, 01:39 AM
belleraphon1 For myself, I was just surprised by Craig Covault... Aug 3 2008, 01:14 AM
dvandorn I dunno... a long time ago in a galaxy far, far a... Aug 3 2008, 01:49 AM
andrea Nasawatch.com comments on the phoenix twitter: ... Aug 3 2008, 06:16 AM
CosmicRocker Hehe! It's so much fun to speculate about... Aug 3 2008, 07:19 AM
Sunspot Well the twitter page seem to refute ALL of this s... Aug 3 2008, 10:17 AM
djellison QUOTE Reports claiming there was a White House bri... Aug 3 2008, 10:48 AM
nprev QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 3 2008, 03:48 AM) ... Aug 3 2008, 01:29 PM
marsbug I go away for one week to move house and everyone ... Aug 3 2008, 11:57 AM
Stu Oh, definitely hype, but hype of a mysterious, shi... Aug 3 2008, 02:01 PM
nprev I completely agree. It's going to be intere... Aug 3 2008, 02:24 PM
jmjawors Has anyone seen any of these news reports implying... Aug 3 2008, 02:36 PM
Stu I think it's just the same story but spun a li... Aug 3 2008, 02:59 PM
Paul Fjeld I just read this on Keith's site:
"Of co... Aug 3 2008, 03:22 PM
nprev Of course there's life on Mars. Chuck Norris i... Aug 3 2008, 03:04 PM
jmjawors Actually, Chuck Norris has already been to Mars; t... Aug 3 2008, 03:17 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (jmjawors @ Aug 3 2008, 11:17 AM) m... Aug 3 2008, 03:30 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 3 2008, 10:30 AM)... Aug 3 2008, 04:14 PM
tasp {Let me point out I have no inside information, an... Aug 3 2008, 03:20 PM
nprev Well...let's just put it in perspective: Is an... Aug 3 2008, 03:33 PM
Greg Hullender Does anyone have a feel for how significant it is ... Aug 3 2008, 03:51 PM
nprev QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Aug 3 2008, 08:51... Aug 3 2008, 05:04 PM
imipak Well, who knows. If there's anything more to t... Aug 3 2008, 04:46 PM![]() ![]() |
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