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Jul 31 2008, 10:22 PM
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![]() The Poet Dude ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Seriously, hasn't anyone else got any thoughts (dismissive or otherwise) on the "Have you briefed the President's Science Advisor?" (re MECA) question by C Covault? I am NOT going all woo-woo here, don't worry, I just thought it was an odd thing to ask... To my ears it sounded like C C was suggesting, subtly, to the panel that he had heard "something" about the MECA analysis and wanted them to comment. The question was brushed aside - rather uncomfortably I thought - and the discussion quickly moved on, but it seemed like a bit of a Moment to me. He actually began, if I remember correctly, by asking where the "MECA guys" were, asking if they had "been hidden under the table"... cue uncomfortable laughs from the panel...
Again, I have to stress, in case anyone thinks I'm 'suggesting' anything, I'm not getting all Muldur here, I was just struck by how out of the blue the question was, and wondered if anyone has any thoughts on it... -------------------- |
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Aug 1 2008, 09:35 PM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Can I call you by your decimal equivalent, "105"?
One possibility that just occurred to me is that MECA may have found carbonates in abundance, though obviously they've been mixed rather well into the soil given that they haven't been detected from orbit. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Aug 2 2008, 02:19 AM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 753 Joined: 23-October 04 From: Greensboro, NC USA Member No.: 103 |
Can I call you by your decimal equivalent, "105"? I think you should think in hexadecimal for the solution to the nickname. His avatar then makes sense too. Edit: Sorry, I was slow on the uptake that you already got it. It has been a long week and I'm tired!! -------------------- Jonathan Ward
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Aug 2 2008, 02:43 AM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 144 Joined: 17-July 07 From: Canberra Australia Member No.: 2865 |
His avatar then makes sense too. Hey, I had missed that. Trouble is that this smart alec technique by Covault has already stirred up some expectations (and led to some some startling revelations on some of the more speculative forums). Dissatisfaction exists where outcomes don't meet expectations and I don't think Covault has done anyone any favours, particularly not the mission team. |
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Aug 2 2008, 03:32 AM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 3-June 08 From: McLean, VA Member No.: 4177 |
Covault is a real professional who has earned some very deep connections. He has a rep. He's not going to throw it away on some silly speculation.
I also know he is really keen on Mars and loved his time "embedded" with the MER team. I suspect his perhaps mischievous question at the press conference might have been a little tweak, but how should one ask that question knowing now what Craig was preparing for publication? (Personally, I thought Smith slapped him down a bit during one of the earlier conferences - and it sure didn't look like he enjoyed this question.) As for the White House - of course NASA doesn't want them to read about really great discoveries in the newspapers. I thought, in government, your masters are >always< in the loop. Griffin should know what's coming down the pike, no? He'd need to tell his boss, just like he got told by his subordinates. Naiveté?? Ho, Ho! (yes) I'm betting the news will be better than expected from this mission. Maybe the best news from any Mars mission so far. I'll say a 4 on a scale from 0 (ruddy dead moonlike) to 10 (there is a fossil). Water is a 3, actual real life: 500. Make your own scale! EDIT: and by 4 I mean Mars can support Earth life at a chemical level. Still thinking about 5-9... |
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Aug 2 2008, 08:34 AM
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Founder ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Chairman Posts: 14457 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
. I suspect his perhaps mischievous question at the press conference might have been a little tweak, but how should one ask that question knowing now what Craig was preparing for publication? In private, after the press conf or by telephone. Not by raising a nightmare of almost certainly inappropriate speculation and hyperbole by being quite so smug and veiled. I like Craig, I like his articles, and I like the fact he'll take creations by people here and publish them. But I really don't like the way he's handled this. If nothing else, he's given us an admin headache. |
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Stu The MECA story Jul 31 2008, 10:22 PM
elakdawalla I've heard some very vague rumor to the effect... Jul 31 2008, 10:31 PM
dmg A) My take on Craig Covault's question about M... Jul 31 2008, 10:34 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Stu @ Jul 31 2008, 02:22 PM) He ac... Jul 31 2008, 10:36 PM
Stu QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jul 31 2008, 11:36 P... Jul 31 2008, 10:40 PM
mars loon QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jul 31 2008, 10:36 P... Aug 1 2008, 12:15 AM
Stu Thanks Emily, that's very interesting. I can... Jul 31 2008, 10:39 PM
Sunspot Presidential advisor's eh??? All very mysterio... Jul 31 2008, 11:16 PM
jmjawors Alright... stupid question time. What difficultie... Jul 31 2008, 11:31 PM
belleraphon1 Agree the MECA team has not had serious problems. ... Aug 1 2008, 01:37 AM
1101001 I put a notice of this in the MECA topic, but Cova... Aug 1 2008, 08:34 PM
Stu Thanks 01 (is it ok if I call you "01"? ... Aug 1 2008, 09:26 PM
TheChemist Hmm, the plot thickens...
Did they found indicati... Aug 1 2008, 09:33 PM
nprev Fred, to answer your question...no, it's not c... Aug 1 2008, 09:57 PM
djellison Lots of speculative posts in various threads. A ... Aug 1 2008, 10:42 PM
Oersted WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!
Oops,... Aug 1 2008, 11:23 PM
nprev Well, as I just mentioned to a noted forum member,... Aug 1 2008, 11:34 PM
PDP8E my best guess
** methane **
the natural output... Aug 1 2008, 11:37 PM
jmknapp Here's an MP3 clip of Craig Covault's ques... Aug 1 2008, 11:44 PM
1101001 QUOTE (jmknapp @ Aug 1 2008, 04:44 PM) Do... Aug 2 2008, 12:43 AM
nprev I would be extremely cautious about reading more i... Aug 2 2008, 01:00 AM
1101001 QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 1 2008, 06:00 PM) Bott... Aug 2 2008, 01:17 AM
nprev QUOTE (1101001 @ Aug 1 2008, 06:17 PM) Ma... Aug 2 2008, 01:28 AM
Stu QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 2 2008, 02:28 AM) This... Aug 2 2008, 05:57 AM
vjkane Check out http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.ht... Aug 2 2008, 02:35 AM
nprev Mmm...seems like a pretty good analysis from here,... Aug 2 2008, 03:46 AM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 1 2008, 11:46 PM) Didn... Aug 2 2008, 04:14 AM
nprev QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 1 2008, 09:14 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 04:26 AM
Pavel I guess it's a nitrogen compound. Ammonia per... Aug 2 2008, 03:56 AM
nprev That sure sounds like a good guess, Pavel. AFAIK, ... Aug 2 2008, 04:11 AM
Reed QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 1 2008, 08:56 PM) I gu... Aug 2 2008, 07:02 AM
bcory maybe they found an amino acid..
Or just an amine... Aug 2 2008, 04:20 AM
Paul Fjeld One other point re: the press conference. Personal... Aug 2 2008, 04:41 AM
djellison QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 2 2008, 05:41 AM)... Aug 2 2008, 08:26 AM

Paul Fjeld QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 2 2008, 03:26 AM) ... Aug 2 2008, 03:02 PM

Paul Fjeld QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 2 2008, 03:26 AM) ... Aug 2 2008, 03:16 PM

fredk QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 2 2008, 09:26 AM) ... Aug 2 2008, 03:53 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 1 2008, 11:41 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 11:19 AM
jmjawors Nitrogen was my thought as well. They specificall... Aug 2 2008, 04:28 AM
nprev Hmm. Your comment kicked my brain, Jim.
How do N... Aug 2 2008, 04:47 AM
Stu I may be in a minority here (no change there then... Aug 2 2008, 09:29 AM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 2 2008, 04:29 AM) And ag... Aug 2 2008, 03:21 PM
nprev Stu, when I used the term UMSF before I wasn't... Aug 2 2008, 12:54 PM
Stu QUOTE Stu, when I used the term UMSF before I wasn... Aug 2 2008, 01:32 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 2 2008, 06:32 AM) The st... Aug 2 2008, 06:05 PM

Paul Fjeld QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 2 2008, 01:05 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 06:07 PM

djellison QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 2 2008, 07:05 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 07:00 PM

dvandorn QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 2 2008, 02:00 PM) ... Aug 2 2008, 09:21 PM

PFK One minute it was all about ice delivery to ovens,... Aug 2 2008, 09:26 PM

Stu QUOTE (PFK @ Aug 2 2008, 10:26 PM) One mi... Aug 2 2008, 09:34 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 2 2008, 08:32 AM) Shudde... Aug 2 2008, 06:06 PM
imipak Talk about admin headaches - it can't be much ... Aug 2 2008, 04:18 PM
nprev Good post, Fred. No, I don't blame Covault (th... Aug 2 2008, 04:41 PM
Stu Coverage of this story on Universe Today... Aug 2 2008, 05:21 PM
nprev Er....let's not add to the admin's headach... Aug 2 2008, 06:31 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 2 2008, 02:31 PM) Star... Aug 2 2008, 07:12 PM
Stu That's a great shame, because I find NASAWATCH... Aug 2 2008, 06:47 PM
stevesliva I was enjoying both the speculation and the meta c... Aug 2 2008, 07:15 PM
centsworth_II Scientists face increasing pressure from intereste... Aug 2 2008, 08:08 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Aug 2 2008, 04:08 ... Aug 2 2008, 09:07 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 2 2008, 05:07 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 09:52 PM
djellison One thing's for sure - it's going to be an... Aug 2 2008, 08:25 PM
nprev ...good one, PFK!
In a way, I'm honored..... Aug 2 2008, 09:34 PM
gpurcell Just saw a post on this on the general political d... Aug 2 2008, 09:39 PM
nprev Oh, crap. Probably not long at all; propogation ti... Aug 2 2008, 09:41 PM
Stu Well, it's no huge surprise is it? Once the me... Aug 2 2008, 09:51 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 2 2008, 05:51 PM) Well, ... Aug 3 2008, 01:39 AM
belleraphon1 For myself, I was just surprised by Craig Covault... Aug 3 2008, 01:14 AM
dvandorn I dunno... a long time ago in a galaxy far, far a... Aug 3 2008, 01:49 AM
andrea Nasawatch.com comments on the phoenix twitter: ... Aug 3 2008, 06:16 AM
CosmicRocker Hehe! It's so much fun to speculate about... Aug 3 2008, 07:19 AM
Sunspot Well the twitter page seem to refute ALL of this s... Aug 3 2008, 10:17 AM
djellison QUOTE Reports claiming there was a White House bri... Aug 3 2008, 10:48 AM
nprev QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 3 2008, 03:48 AM) ... Aug 3 2008, 01:29 PM
marsbug I go away for one week to move house and everyone ... Aug 3 2008, 11:57 AM
Stu Oh, definitely hype, but hype of a mysterious, shi... Aug 3 2008, 02:01 PM
nprev I completely agree. It's going to be intere... Aug 3 2008, 02:24 PM
jmjawors Has anyone seen any of these news reports implying... Aug 3 2008, 02:36 PM
Stu I think it's just the same story but spun a li... Aug 3 2008, 02:59 PM
Paul Fjeld I just read this on Keith's site:
"Of co... Aug 3 2008, 03:22 PM
nprev Of course there's life on Mars. Chuck Norris i... Aug 3 2008, 03:04 PM
jmjawors Actually, Chuck Norris has already been to Mars; t... Aug 3 2008, 03:17 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (jmjawors @ Aug 3 2008, 11:17 AM) m... Aug 3 2008, 03:30 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 3 2008, 10:30 AM)... Aug 3 2008, 04:14 PM
tasp {Let me point out I have no inside information, an... Aug 3 2008, 03:20 PM
nprev Well...let's just put it in perspective: Is an... Aug 3 2008, 03:33 PM
Greg Hullender Does anyone have a feel for how significant it is ... Aug 3 2008, 03:51 PM
nprev QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Aug 3 2008, 08:51... Aug 3 2008, 05:04 PM
imipak Well, who knows. If there's anything more to t... Aug 3 2008, 04:46 PM![]() ![]() |
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