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Jul 31 2008, 10:22 PM
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![]() The Poet Dude ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Seriously, hasn't anyone else got any thoughts (dismissive or otherwise) on the "Have you briefed the President's Science Advisor?" (re MECA) question by C Covault? I am NOT going all woo-woo here, don't worry, I just thought it was an odd thing to ask... To my ears it sounded like C C was suggesting, subtly, to the panel that he had heard "something" about the MECA analysis and wanted them to comment. The question was brushed aside - rather uncomfortably I thought - and the discussion quickly moved on, but it seemed like a bit of a Moment to me. He actually began, if I remember correctly, by asking where the "MECA guys" were, asking if they had "been hidden under the table"... cue uncomfortable laughs from the panel...
Again, I have to stress, in case anyone thinks I'm 'suggesting' anything, I'm not getting all Muldur here, I was just struck by how out of the blue the question was, and wondered if anyone has any thoughts on it... -------------------- |
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Aug 2 2008, 12:54 PM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Stu, when I used the term UMSF before I wasn't talking about our forum, and your observations were right on; the folks here are absolute bloodhounds with PhDs when it comes to separating fact from fancy in all respects during times like this! I was actually referring to the planetary science community itself, which as we all know struggles for support & funding at all times.
Thus far at least, the wider media doesn't seem to have picked up on the story-to-be, which IMHO is good news. Speculation's run wild even within our little community, and I shudder to think of what might happen if the speculation goes wideband. As an example, here's a headline from the New Jersey Trentonian shortly after the ALH84001 announcement, verbatim: "Mars Poop No Cause For Alarm" (Nope; that's not a joke. Wish it was. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Aug 2 2008, 01:32 PM
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![]() The Poet Dude ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
QUOTE Stu, when I used the term UMSF before I wasn't talking about our forum... I was actually referring to the planetary science community itself, which as we all know struggles for support & funding at all times. Ah, gotcha! Makes sense now. QUOTE Thus far at least, the wider media doesn't seem to have picked up on the story-to-be...and I shudder to think of what might happen if the speculation goes wideband. Shudder away. The story is on NASAWATCH, and that usually feeds other big sites, so start your engines... No, seriously, c'mon guys, everyone, lighten up Try to think of this as a test of the system, and the test worked. No forum frenzy, no premature announcements on White House lawns, no sensationalist tabloid coverage, and everyone here is now a lot more savvy with MECA and Phoenix hard science. -------------------- |
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Aug 2 2008, 06:05 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
The story is on NASAWATCH... Where, according to Cowing, we are in "smug elitist mode" I honestly don't understand that guy sometimes. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Aug 2 2008, 07:00 PM
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Founder ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Chairman Posts: 14457 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
I honestly don't understand that guy sometimes. You're not alone. Somehow, the fact that I don't think Craig picked the best time or place to ask Pete what the story was, and the fact that we are now talking about the story now it has broken, are contradictory. But hey - getting flamed by Cowing twice - that's got to be something worth feeling smug about. |
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Aug 2 2008, 09:21 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
But hey - getting flamed by Cowing twice - that's got to be something worth feeling smug about. I was going to say -- I *am* a smug elitist. Don't know about the rest of y'all... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Stu The MECA story Jul 31 2008, 10:22 PM
elakdawalla I've heard some very vague rumor to the effect... Jul 31 2008, 10:31 PM
dmg A) My take on Craig Covault's question about M... Jul 31 2008, 10:34 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (Stu @ Jul 31 2008, 02:22 PM) He ac... Jul 31 2008, 10:36 PM
Stu QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jul 31 2008, 11:36 P... Jul 31 2008, 10:40 PM
mars loon QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jul 31 2008, 10:36 P... Aug 1 2008, 12:15 AM
Stu Thanks Emily, that's very interesting. I can... Jul 31 2008, 10:39 PM
Sunspot Presidential advisor's eh??? All very mysterio... Jul 31 2008, 11:16 PM
jmjawors Alright... stupid question time. What difficultie... Jul 31 2008, 11:31 PM
belleraphon1 Agree the MECA team has not had serious problems. ... Aug 1 2008, 01:37 AM
1101001 I put a notice of this in the MECA topic, but Cova... Aug 1 2008, 08:34 PM
Stu Thanks 01 (is it ok if I call you "01"? ... Aug 1 2008, 09:26 PM
TheChemist Hmm, the plot thickens...
Did they found indicati... Aug 1 2008, 09:33 PM
nprev Can I call you by your decimal equivalent, "1... Aug 1 2008, 09:35 PM
ilbasso QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 1 2008, 05:35 PM) Can ... Aug 2 2008, 02:19 AM
Aussie QUOTE (ilbasso @ Aug 2 2008, 03:19 AM) Hi... Aug 2 2008, 02:43 AM
Paul Fjeld Covault is a real professional who has earned some... Aug 2 2008, 03:32 AM
djellison QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 2 2008, 04:32 AM)... Aug 2 2008, 08:34 AM
nprev Fred, to answer your question...no, it's not c... Aug 1 2008, 09:57 PM
djellison Lots of speculative posts in various threads. A ... Aug 1 2008, 10:42 PM
Oersted WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!
Oops,... Aug 1 2008, 11:23 PM
nprev Well, as I just mentioned to a noted forum member,... Aug 1 2008, 11:34 PM
PDP8E my best guess
** methane **
the natural output... Aug 1 2008, 11:37 PM
jmknapp Here's an MP3 clip of Craig Covault's ques... Aug 1 2008, 11:44 PM
1101001 QUOTE (jmknapp @ Aug 1 2008, 04:44 PM) Do... Aug 2 2008, 12:43 AM
nprev I would be extremely cautious about reading more i... Aug 2 2008, 01:00 AM
1101001 QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 1 2008, 06:00 PM) Bott... Aug 2 2008, 01:17 AM
nprev QUOTE (1101001 @ Aug 1 2008, 06:17 PM) Ma... Aug 2 2008, 01:28 AM
Stu QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 2 2008, 02:28 AM) This... Aug 2 2008, 05:57 AM
vjkane Check out http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.ht... Aug 2 2008, 02:35 AM
nprev Mmm...seems like a pretty good analysis from here,... Aug 2 2008, 03:46 AM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 1 2008, 11:46 PM) Didn... Aug 2 2008, 04:14 AM
nprev QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 1 2008, 09:14 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 04:26 AM
Pavel I guess it's a nitrogen compound. Ammonia per... Aug 2 2008, 03:56 AM
nprev That sure sounds like a good guess, Pavel. AFAIK, ... Aug 2 2008, 04:11 AM
Reed QUOTE (Pavel @ Aug 1 2008, 08:56 PM) I gu... Aug 2 2008, 07:02 AM
bcory maybe they found an amino acid..
Or just an amine... Aug 2 2008, 04:20 AM
Paul Fjeld One other point re: the press conference. Personal... Aug 2 2008, 04:41 AM
djellison QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 2 2008, 05:41 AM)... Aug 2 2008, 08:26 AM

Paul Fjeld QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 2 2008, 03:26 AM) ... Aug 2 2008, 03:02 PM

Paul Fjeld QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 2 2008, 03:26 AM) ... Aug 2 2008, 03:16 PM

fredk QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 2 2008, 09:26 AM) ... Aug 2 2008, 03:53 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 1 2008, 11:41 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 11:19 AM
jmjawors Nitrogen was my thought as well. They specificall... Aug 2 2008, 04:28 AM
nprev Hmm. Your comment kicked my brain, Jim.
How do N... Aug 2 2008, 04:47 AM
Stu I may be in a minority here (no change there then... Aug 2 2008, 09:29 AM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 2 2008, 04:29 AM) And ag... Aug 2 2008, 03:21 PM

Paul Fjeld QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Aug 2 2008, 01:05 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 06:07 PM

PFK One minute it was all about ice delivery to ovens,... Aug 2 2008, 09:26 PM

Stu QUOTE (PFK @ Aug 2 2008, 10:26 PM) One mi... Aug 2 2008, 09:34 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 2 2008, 08:32 AM) Shudde... Aug 2 2008, 06:06 PM
imipak Talk about admin headaches - it can't be much ... Aug 2 2008, 04:18 PM
nprev Good post, Fred. No, I don't blame Covault (th... Aug 2 2008, 04:41 PM
Stu Coverage of this story on Universe Today... Aug 2 2008, 05:21 PM
nprev Er....let's not add to the admin's headach... Aug 2 2008, 06:31 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 2 2008, 02:31 PM) Star... Aug 2 2008, 07:12 PM
Stu That's a great shame, because I find NASAWATCH... Aug 2 2008, 06:47 PM
stevesliva I was enjoying both the speculation and the meta c... Aug 2 2008, 07:15 PM
centsworth_II Scientists face increasing pressure from intereste... Aug 2 2008, 08:08 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Aug 2 2008, 04:08 ... Aug 2 2008, 09:07 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 2 2008, 05:07 PM)... Aug 2 2008, 09:52 PM
djellison One thing's for sure - it's going to be an... Aug 2 2008, 08:25 PM
nprev ...good one, PFK!
In a way, I'm honored..... Aug 2 2008, 09:34 PM
gpurcell Just saw a post on this on the general political d... Aug 2 2008, 09:39 PM
nprev Oh, crap. Probably not long at all; propogation ti... Aug 2 2008, 09:41 PM
Stu Well, it's no huge surprise is it? Once the me... Aug 2 2008, 09:51 PM
jmknapp QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 2 2008, 05:51 PM) Well, ... Aug 3 2008, 01:39 AM
belleraphon1 For myself, I was just surprised by Craig Covault... Aug 3 2008, 01:14 AM
dvandorn I dunno... a long time ago in a galaxy far, far a... Aug 3 2008, 01:49 AM
andrea Nasawatch.com comments on the phoenix twitter: ... Aug 3 2008, 06:16 AM
CosmicRocker Hehe! It's so much fun to speculate about... Aug 3 2008, 07:19 AM
Sunspot Well the twitter page seem to refute ALL of this s... Aug 3 2008, 10:17 AM
djellison QUOTE Reports claiming there was a White House bri... Aug 3 2008, 10:48 AM
nprev QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 3 2008, 03:48 AM) ... Aug 3 2008, 01:29 PM
marsbug I go away for one week to move house and everyone ... Aug 3 2008, 11:57 AM
Stu Oh, definitely hype, but hype of a mysterious, shi... Aug 3 2008, 02:01 PM
nprev I completely agree. It's going to be intere... Aug 3 2008, 02:24 PM
jmjawors Has anyone seen any of these news reports implying... Aug 3 2008, 02:36 PM
Stu I think it's just the same story but spun a li... Aug 3 2008, 02:59 PM
Paul Fjeld I just read this on Keith's site:
"Of co... Aug 3 2008, 03:22 PM
nprev Of course there's life on Mars. Chuck Norris i... Aug 3 2008, 03:04 PM
jmjawors Actually, Chuck Norris has already been to Mars; t... Aug 3 2008, 03:17 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (jmjawors @ Aug 3 2008, 11:17 AM) m... Aug 3 2008, 03:30 PM
Paul Fjeld QUOTE (Paul Fjeld @ Aug 3 2008, 10:30 AM)... Aug 3 2008, 04:14 PM
tasp {Let me point out I have no inside information, an... Aug 3 2008, 03:20 PM
nprev Well...let's just put it in perspective: Is an... Aug 3 2008, 03:33 PM
Greg Hullender Does anyone have a feel for how significant it is ... Aug 3 2008, 03:51 PM
nprev QUOTE (Greg Hullender @ Aug 3 2008, 08:51... Aug 3 2008, 05:04 PM
imipak Well, who knows. If there's anything more to t... Aug 3 2008, 04:46 PM![]() ![]() |
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