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Aug 2 2008, 12:53 PM
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Hi,
I’m regular follower of NH and I’m also interested in the 2nd leg of the mission, i.e the 2016+ KBOs encounters. Does anyone know when operations about this leg (starting with searching objects of interest with HST or some other earth-based means, I suppose) are expected to begin ? |
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Aug 5 2008, 04:10 PM
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Trouble is, it'll take NH almost 10 years to go 40 AU, and the inner edge of the Oort Cloud is estimated to be about 2000 AU out. A 500-year extended mission is probably asking for too much. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oort_cloud Since Sedna's the only thing like Sedna, I think it'll be hard to guess that we'll find another before 2015 AND that it'll be reachable by NH. That does raise an interesting question, though. From the NH mission page: http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/mission/mission_timeline.php it's not clear how much time NH could have to reach a KBO. A ten-year extended mission could roughly reach the perihelion distance of Sedna from the Sun, but is anyone contemplating an XM that long? How long can we reasonably expect NH to work? --Greg My former question may be reformulated as follows : After completion of extended mission at KB, NH’s mission officially ends. Spacecraft will be at something like 50 AU. Maybe some fuel will still be left. From this point, will be something else worth trying ? Previous outbound spacecraft (Pioneers, Voyagers) have all been maintained until they really die, we may expect the same for NH. I had in mind a possibility of targeting some object at scattered belt (however small it might be) which may be a SDO or an object currently cruising near perihelion whose orbit type is similar to Sedna (70-1000 AU or the like), thus qualifying as “inner Oort cloud object” as I’ve read somewhere. But according to Alan’s info I now believe this as unrealistic as SDOs are simply too far apart. So next possible milestone would be escape from heliosphere ? This is very long term thinking, I agree… |
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Aug 5 2008, 04:38 PM
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So next possible milestone would be escape from heliosphere ? This is very long term thinking, I agree… The Voyagers and Pioneers had capable particles and fields instruments. Anyone know if NH's SWAP and PEPSSI instruments would be good for exploration of the heliopause? Also, NH left Earth with a smaller than expected payload of plutonium. How far could it go and still (1) operate the instruments and (2) call home? -------------------- |
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Aug 5 2008, 05:39 PM
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The Voyagers and Pioneers had capable particles and fields instruments. Anyone know if NH's SWAP and PEPSSI instruments would be good for exploration of the heliopause? Also, NH left Earth with a smaller than expected payload of plutonium. How far could it go and still (1) operate the instruments and (2) call home? We could probably run the s/c and 1 instrument to the mid-2020s to explore the heliosphere 50-70 AU, but that's not the mission-- the mission is to maximize the KB science, and that means spending all the fuel to do that. Alan |
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xtruel KBO encounters Aug 2 2008, 12:53 PM
nprev Hiya, X. If I remember correctly, the KBO search i... Aug 2 2008, 01:06 PM
Alan Stern QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 2 2008, 01:06 PM) Hiya... Aug 2 2008, 01:26 PM
Paolo QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 2 2008, 03:06 PM) Plut... Aug 2 2008, 03:32 PM
nprev ...our definition of celestial vermin seems to be ... Aug 2 2008, 04:48 PM
xtruel Thanks for these quick replies
Given the tiny ... Aug 3 2008, 07:36 AM
Greg Hullender Trouble is, it'll take NH almost 10 years to g... Aug 3 2008, 04:01 PM
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surreyguy Is larger necessarily better? Planets (in the hy... Aug 3 2008, 05:06 PM
Alan Stern QUOTE (surreyguy @ Aug 3 2008, 05:06 PM) ... Aug 3 2008, 05:09 PM
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nprev Oh, sorry. What I meant is that presumably more da... Aug 4 2008, 11:10 AM
Alan Stern QUOTE (nprev @ Aug 4 2008, 11:10 AM) Oh, ... Aug 4 2008, 01:24 PM
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tasp Not sure I am thinking this through correctly, but... Aug 4 2008, 07:07 PM
Alan Stern QUOTE (tasp @ Aug 4 2008, 08:07 PM) Not s... Aug 4 2008, 07:20 PM
tasp Thanx.
I guess we get to work out the statistics ... Aug 4 2008, 07:47 PM
nprev Alan, what is the search magnitude limit for the h... Aug 4 2008, 07:49 PM
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nprev THAT is a definite "wow!!!!... Aug 4 2008, 09:18 PM
IM4 We have no candidates for close KBO enccounters, b... Aug 17 2008, 10:41 AM
Alan Stern QUOTE (IM4 @ Aug 17 2008, 10:41 AM) We ha... Aug 17 2008, 11:49 AM
IM4 QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Aug 17 2008, 11:49 AM... Aug 17 2008, 03:18 PM
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Vultur The first post in this thread says the search woul... Apr 15 2010, 09:15 AM
Alan Stern QUOTE (Vultur @ Apr 15 2010, 10:15 AM) Th... Apr 15 2010, 12:18 PM
illexsquid QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Apr 15 2010, 04:18 AM... Apr 27 2010, 06:11 PM
Gsnorgathon The Tvashtar plume images were taken a lot closer ... Apr 28 2010, 05:55 PM
john_s I'll chip in here. Alan was talking about sci... Apr 28 2010, 07:36 PM
MahFL The Search for KBO's to begin. Apr 20 2011, 02:59 PM
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dilo QUOTE (john_s @ Apr 20 2011, 03:17 PM) Lo... Apr 20 2011, 03:47 PM
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Greg Hullender Yeah, I think the last few times we've asked t... Apr 15 2010, 04:58 PM
Astro0 If we find it, can we name it?! I always thoug... Feb 22 2011, 11:01 PM
nprev THAT is a rockin' piece of citizen science out... Feb 23 2011, 01:10 AM
hendric John,
That's great news, can't wait to p... Feb 23 2011, 02:54 PM
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NGC3314 What John said - just found out that some of the p... May 9 2011, 12:18 PM
hendric Just got this in the Zooniverse newsletter. I thi... May 16 2011, 04:46 PM
john_s Here's an update on how the KBO search is goin... May 16 2011, 05:20 PM
dilo Finally we can help you, I am so excited!
Jus... May 16 2011, 09:39 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (dilo @ May 16 2011, 05:39 PM) Just... May 16 2011, 11:34 PM
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MahFL Oh dear I can't use IE7, which is on my work P... May 17 2011, 12:50 PM
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stevesliva Thanks john... I saw an old powerpoint of yours wh... May 17 2011, 12:03 AM
hendric John,
Thanks for the update! I was curious,... May 17 2011, 06:01 AM
john_s QUOTE (hendric @ May 17 2011, 12:01 AM) J... May 17 2011, 02:44 PM
hendric Thanks for the reply John. I figured after I sent... May 17 2011, 03:10 PM
tfisher I can discern 8 parallel, nearly horizontal, rows ... May 18 2011, 01:56 AM
john_s QUOTE (tfisher @ May 17 2011, 06:56 PM) I... May 18 2011, 03:59 AM
nprev John, though this is not a technical commentary, h... May 18 2011, 02:40 AM
john_s QUOTE (nprev @ May 17 2011, 07:40 PM) Sug... May 18 2011, 04:05 AM
nprev Swing and a miss...but knew there had to be a reas... May 18 2011, 05:02 AM
hendric I figured the black star centers was because of a ... May 18 2011, 04:30 PM
john_s QUOTE (hendric @ May 18 2011, 10:30 AM) I... May 18 2011, 05:22 PM
hendric John,
Good to know, I wasn't implying you... May 18 2011, 07:12 PM
tfisher QUOTE (hendric @ May 18 2011, 03:12 PM) I... May 18 2011, 09:55 PM

tfisher Poking around more at the horizontal artifacts... ... May 19 2011, 01:46 AM
john_s Thanks for these examples, Richard and all!
Q... May 19 2011, 04:03 AM
hendric Oh sure, if they're not the same distance. I ... May 19 2011, 05:53 PM
stevesliva I thought this was a thing of beauty, as far as fi... May 21 2011, 01:36 AM
nprev Okay, I'll play: I see two, possibly binary.
... May 21 2011, 03:54 AM
tfisher Are Kuiper belt objects distributed like a belt, o... May 21 2011, 01:48 PM
john_s Most KBOs are in a flat disk, like the asteroids (... May 21 2011, 03:19 PM
nprev John, interim progress report. 238 objects identif... May 21 2011, 10:36 PM
NickF QUOTE (nprev @ May 21 2011, 05:36 PM) EDI... Jun 22 2011, 05:24 PM
nprev Possible bug report: I'm on the road now ... May 23 2011, 11:57 PM
Tman Hi, that happens because of the last update on Sun... May 24 2011, 09:34 AM
nprev Sure enough; thanks, T! (Der...there's was... May 24 2011, 02:07 PM
john_s The Ice Hunters project is now out of beta and is ... Jun 21 2011, 01:55 PM
Alan Stern QUOTE (john_s @ Jun 21 2011, 02:55 PM) Th... Jun 22 2011, 12:04 AM
nprev Great Godfrey!!! A PI has called for a... Jun 22 2011, 01:30 AM
Sunspot It's very addictive Jun 22 2011, 10:16 PM
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nprev Okay, now @ 2257 images with a detection rate of 1... Jun 25 2011, 09:50 PM
Stu 18%? And you haven't shown us a *single* image... Jun 25 2011, 09:54 PM
nprev <abashed look> I didn't think anyone was... Jun 25 2011, 10:30 PM
stevesliva My finding rate is much higher, but the number of ... Jun 26 2011, 04:24 AM
elakdawalla Ha! I just independently saw that exact same ... Jun 26 2011, 04:39 AM
nprev Now HERE'S a beauty: one asteroid plus one pos... Jun 26 2011, 06:09 AM
centsworth_II QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 26 2011, 02:09 AM) Now... Jun 26 2011, 09:45 AM
NickF If we're comparing rates, I've highlighted... Jun 26 2011, 03:41 PM
nprev Eek! We're heading into an asteroid field ... Jun 26 2011, 07:06 PM
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EDIT: Please disr... Jun 26 2011, 07:37 PM
nprev Sorry, but I HAD to post this. Satellite trail? NE... Jun 26 2011, 09:24 PM
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NickF QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 26 2011, 06:13 PM) Got... Jun 27 2011, 02:46 AM
nprev I'm thinkin' maybe just this one time, Nic... Jun 27 2011, 03:31 AM![]() ![]() |
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