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Sep 1 2008, 05:04 PM
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I have just read a short story by Alex Saragosa published on issue 1067 (29 Aug 2008, pag. 61) of the italian magazine "il venerdì", a Friday supplement of the major national newspaper la repubblica. The story, titled "I batteri terrestri hanno invaso il pianeta rosso" (terrestrial bacteria have invaded the red planet), claims a group of JPL bilogists analyzed samples from the room where Phoenix was assembled and found 26,000 bacterial cells per square meter from 100 different species, including highly radiation resistant Bacillus pumilis. According to the story, these bacteria may have survived the trip to Mars.
I have never heard anything similar from reliable sources (i.e. anything but la Repubblica) . Any info? Paolo Amoroso -------------------- Avventure Planetarie - Blog sulla comunicazione e divulgazione scientifica
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Sep 4 2008, 05:22 AM
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No, Mike -- feasibility, by definition, is a projection of what is not only possible but actually achievable, based on your best information. Once something happens, feasibility is a dead concept for that phenomenon.
As for life processes, we're going to have to start thinking outside of the box in order to make any major progress in this area, I think. Life sciences are (rather necessarily) very terro-centric right now. For example, even our Martian life experiments all look for organic compounds, and if we don't find any, we state assuredly that there is no possibility of extant life. Instead of making the (almost definitely false) assumption that any and all life forms in the universe will *always* be made of what we recognize as organic compounds, that it will *all* be powered by ADP-ATP chemical reactions, and that it *all* will require liquid water and free oxygen to become abundant, maybe we need to start asking things like: What alternative chemical engines to ADP-ATP can be successfully hypothesized? What other compounds than classic organic compounds could support life processes? Does silicon have enough chemical reactivity to produce living tissues? Does sulphur? Completely regardless of its chemical composition, what do life processes *do* that we can identify from probes? *Must* it respirate oxygen? *Must* its internal tissues be water-rich? *Must* it reproduce, and how often? I know some people have been trying to address these issues for decades -- and yet, we still see Mars probes that are designed to look for organic compounds, on the theory that life *must* incorporate the same compounds it does on Earth. I personally think that one of the first non-terrestrial forms of life we will find will be composed of something other than organic compounds, and all of the textbooks will need immediate and thoroughgoing rewrites! -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Paolo Amoroso Italian magazine claims Phoenix contaminated Mars with terrestrial bacteria Sep 1 2008, 05:04 PM
djellison Well - those numbers do sound high - but let's... Sep 1 2008, 05:32 PM
JRehling Yes, the problem would only be if they are able to... Sep 1 2008, 05:41 PM
Del Palmer QUOTE (Paolo Amoroso @ Sep 1 2008, 06:04 ... Sep 1 2008, 05:54 PM
1101001 NASA Astrobiology Magazine
QUOTE AM: What’s the r... Sep 1 2008, 06:02 PM
1101001 New Scientist (so be skeptical): Could microbes on... Sep 1 2008, 06:08 PM
nprev Doug's right, though. You can't get rid of... Sep 1 2008, 06:54 PM
Shaka Ominous voice of Joe Friday: With a bacterium, it... Sep 1 2008, 07:05 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Paolo Amoroso @ Sep 1 2008, 09:04 ... Sep 1 2008, 07:42 PM
ConyHigh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjiGH9QNiU0
Ya thi... Sep 1 2008, 10:17 PM
Pavel I think it's Bacillus pumilus (both words endi... Sep 1 2008, 11:00 PM
jmknapp What's the max surface temperature on Mars--0C... Sep 2 2008, 10:46 AM
djellison If you're lucky, at summer, near the equator -... Sep 2 2008, 11:21 AM
marsbug Yes but regions that have those kinds of ground te... Sep 3 2008, 03:07 PM
gallen_53 QUOTE (marsbug @ Sep 3 2008, 04:07 PM) Th... Sep 3 2008, 05:31 PM
hendric QUOTE (gallen_53 @ Sep 3 2008, 11:31 AM) ... Sep 8 2008, 05:58 PM

Juramike QUOTE (hendric @ Sep 8 2008, 01:58 PM) Du... Sep 8 2008, 06:31 PM
jumpjack QUOTE (gallen_53 @ Sep 3 2008, 07:31 PM) ... Oct 2 2008, 07:26 AM
marsbug Well this conversations been done to the death on ... Sep 3 2008, 07:08 PM
gallen_53 QUOTE (marsbug @ Sep 3 2008, 07:08 PM) We... Sep 3 2008, 09:44 PM

jmknapp You could add:
5. What does it do for food?
I fo... Sep 3 2008, 09:59 PM
gallen_53 QUOTE (marsbug @ Sep 3 2008, 07:08 PM) I... Sep 4 2008, 12:35 AM
mike Nothing's feasible until it happens. Sep 4 2008, 01:56 AM
ZenDraken QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 3 2008, 09:22 PM) C... Sep 9 2008, 10:43 PM
Shaka OK, oDoug, we're all dying to see your detaile... Sep 4 2008, 07:06 AM
dvandorn Well, Shaka -- just go ask all of Willy's frie... Sep 4 2008, 03:48 PM
Shaka If this were a Science Fiction forum, this issue w... Sep 4 2008, 08:17 PM
tedstryk I think the source is questionable as well. I mea... Sep 6 2008, 10:10 PM
Juramike I realize I'm treading a thin line here, but t... Sep 9 2008, 08:12 PM
Juramike To get back to the original speculative claim for ... Sep 10 2008, 03:33 AM
1101001 QUOTE (Juramike @ Sep 9 2008, 08:33 PM) (... Sep 10 2008, 04:54 AM
dvandorn But... how are we currently looking (or have any i... Sep 10 2008, 04:07 AM
djellison QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 10 2008, 05:07 AM) ... Sep 10 2008, 07:04 AM

vikingmars QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 10 2008, 09:04 AM)... Sep 10 2008, 02:38 PM

Shaka QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 10 2008, 04:38 AM... Sep 10 2008, 07:59 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 10 2008, 12:07 AM) ... Sep 10 2008, 07:19 AM
tanjent In order to positively identify a microscopic life... Sep 10 2008, 01:33 PM
dvandorn To Doug et al -- what I'm really getting at, h... Sep 10 2008, 04:27 PM
djellison QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 10 2008, 05:27 PM) ... Sep 10 2008, 05:21 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 10 2008, 12:27 PM) ... Sep 10 2008, 06:59 PM
ilbasso Have we checked any of the big rocks to see if the... Sep 10 2008, 05:58 PM
BrianL QUOTE (ilbasso @ Sep 10 2008, 12:58 PM) H... Sep 10 2008, 06:22 PM
ElkGroveDan I wonder if any of these little guys hitched a rid... Sep 10 2008, 07:04 PM
imipak ...rustlers!!
Time to form a posse. Sep 11 2008, 06:46 PM
PhilCo126 those bacteria (if any) will freeze to death once ... Sep 12 2008, 04:39 PM
Juramike "those bacteria (if any) will freeze [maybe t... Sep 12 2008, 04:52 PM
marsophile The bacteria spores may survive a few million year... Sep 22 2008, 04:37 PM
1101001 QUOTE (marsophile @ Sep 22 2008, 09:37 AM... Sep 22 2008, 06:09 PM
Shaka Get a load of the Kim Stanley Robinson-from-Hell... Sep 22 2008, 09:17 PM![]() ![]() |
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