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Sep 1 2008, 05:04 PM
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I have just read a short story by Alex Saragosa published on issue 1067 (29 Aug 2008, pag. 61) of the italian magazine "il venerdì", a Friday supplement of the major national newspaper la repubblica. The story, titled "I batteri terrestri hanno invaso il pianeta rosso" (terrestrial bacteria have invaded the red planet), claims a group of JPL bilogists analyzed samples from the room where Phoenix was assembled and found 26,000 bacterial cells per square meter from 100 different species, including highly radiation resistant Bacillus pumilis. According to the story, these bacteria may have survived the trip to Mars.
I have never heard anything similar from reliable sources (i.e. anything but la Repubblica) . Any info? Paolo Amoroso -------------------- Avventure Planetarie - Blog sulla comunicazione e divulgazione scientifica
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Sep 10 2008, 04:27 PM
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To Doug et al -- what I'm really getting at, here, I think, is how the Viking results were received. At first, the gas emission results indicated that something was undergoing life-like chemical reactions which caused various liquids and nutrients to be processed and released. However, when the holy grail of organic compounds was not detected, the results were intepreted in the context of "well, since it cannot possibly be caused by any kind of living organism, what exotic chemistry can we postulate that would account for these results?"
In other words, when we placed Martian soil in an environment that would nurture life as we know it, we got results at least roughly consistent with life being present. But when we saw no organic compounds, instead of *also* trying to follow up possible life processes that could exist within the parameters of the observation, the interpretation of the results was shifted such that life-processes were taken off the table as being even remotely possible as the cause. All I'm saying is that as long as we insist on defining life as *only* that which is based on organic compounds, as long as our definition of life automatically excludes anything except life as it is found on Earth, we are in danger of completely missing other types of life, based on different chemistries. That's really all I'm saying. And IMHO, the "life question" is important enough that we ought to at least be aware that we're conducting our search with our heads buried in terro-centric sands. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Sep 10 2008, 05:21 PM
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as long as we insist on defining life as *only* that which is based on organic compounds I don't think anyone would. We just don't know what else to look for yet. Maybe in 100 years we'll have a wider understanding of what life can be, and then we can go looking for it. |
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Paolo Amoroso Italian magazine claims Phoenix contaminated Mars with terrestrial bacteria Sep 1 2008, 05:04 PM
djellison Well - those numbers do sound high - but let's... Sep 1 2008, 05:32 PM
JRehling Yes, the problem would only be if they are able to... Sep 1 2008, 05:41 PM
Del Palmer QUOTE (Paolo Amoroso @ Sep 1 2008, 06:04 ... Sep 1 2008, 05:54 PM
1101001 NASA Astrobiology Magazine
QUOTE AM: What’s the r... Sep 1 2008, 06:02 PM
1101001 New Scientist (so be skeptical): Could microbes on... Sep 1 2008, 06:08 PM
nprev Doug's right, though. You can't get rid of... Sep 1 2008, 06:54 PM
Shaka Ominous voice of Joe Friday: With a bacterium, it... Sep 1 2008, 07:05 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Paolo Amoroso @ Sep 1 2008, 09:04 ... Sep 1 2008, 07:42 PM
ConyHigh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjiGH9QNiU0
Ya thi... Sep 1 2008, 10:17 PM
Pavel I think it's Bacillus pumilus (both words endi... Sep 1 2008, 11:00 PM
jmknapp What's the max surface temperature on Mars--0C... Sep 2 2008, 10:46 AM
djellison If you're lucky, at summer, near the equator -... Sep 2 2008, 11:21 AM
marsbug Yes but regions that have those kinds of ground te... Sep 3 2008, 03:07 PM
gallen_53 QUOTE (marsbug @ Sep 3 2008, 04:07 PM) Th... Sep 3 2008, 05:31 PM
hendric QUOTE (gallen_53 @ Sep 3 2008, 11:31 AM) ... Sep 8 2008, 05:58 PM

Juramike QUOTE (hendric @ Sep 8 2008, 01:58 PM) Du... Sep 8 2008, 06:31 PM
jumpjack QUOTE (gallen_53 @ Sep 3 2008, 07:31 PM) ... Oct 2 2008, 07:26 AM
marsbug Well this conversations been done to the death on ... Sep 3 2008, 07:08 PM
gallen_53 QUOTE (marsbug @ Sep 3 2008, 07:08 PM) We... Sep 3 2008, 09:44 PM

jmknapp You could add:
5. What does it do for food?
I fo... Sep 3 2008, 09:59 PM
gallen_53 QUOTE (marsbug @ Sep 3 2008, 07:08 PM) I... Sep 4 2008, 12:35 AM
mike Nothing's feasible until it happens. Sep 4 2008, 01:56 AM
dvandorn No, Mike -- feasibility, by definition, is a proje... Sep 4 2008, 05:22 AM
ZenDraken QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 3 2008, 09:22 PM) C... Sep 9 2008, 10:43 PM
Shaka OK, oDoug, we're all dying to see your detaile... Sep 4 2008, 07:06 AM
dvandorn Well, Shaka -- just go ask all of Willy's frie... Sep 4 2008, 03:48 PM
Shaka If this were a Science Fiction forum, this issue w... Sep 4 2008, 08:17 PM
tedstryk I think the source is questionable as well. I mea... Sep 6 2008, 10:10 PM
Juramike I realize I'm treading a thin line here, but t... Sep 9 2008, 08:12 PM
Juramike To get back to the original speculative claim for ... Sep 10 2008, 03:33 AM
1101001 QUOTE (Juramike @ Sep 9 2008, 08:33 PM) (... Sep 10 2008, 04:54 AM
dvandorn But... how are we currently looking (or have any i... Sep 10 2008, 04:07 AM
djellison QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 10 2008, 05:07 AM) ... Sep 10 2008, 07:04 AM

vikingmars QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 10 2008, 09:04 AM)... Sep 10 2008, 02:38 PM

Shaka QUOTE (vikingmars @ Sep 10 2008, 04:38 AM... Sep 10 2008, 07:59 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 10 2008, 12:07 AM) ... Sep 10 2008, 07:19 AM
tanjent In order to positively identify a microscopic life... Sep 10 2008, 01:33 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (dvandorn @ Sep 10 2008, 12:27 PM) ... Sep 10 2008, 06:59 PM
ilbasso Have we checked any of the big rocks to see if the... Sep 10 2008, 05:58 PM
BrianL QUOTE (ilbasso @ Sep 10 2008, 12:58 PM) H... Sep 10 2008, 06:22 PM
ElkGroveDan I wonder if any of these little guys hitched a rid... Sep 10 2008, 07:04 PM
imipak ...rustlers!!
Time to form a posse. Sep 11 2008, 06:46 PM
PhilCo126 those bacteria (if any) will freeze to death once ... Sep 12 2008, 04:39 PM
Juramike "those bacteria (if any) will freeze [maybe t... Sep 12 2008, 04:52 PM
marsophile The bacteria spores may survive a few million year... Sep 22 2008, 04:37 PM
1101001 QUOTE (marsophile @ Sep 22 2008, 09:37 AM... Sep 22 2008, 06:09 PM
Shaka Get a load of the Kim Stanley Robinson-from-Hell... Sep 22 2008, 09:17 PM![]() ![]() |
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