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Sep 9 2008, 08:10 PM
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The most recent Aviation Week and Space Technology (9/8) has the following tidbit in a piece on NASA schedule delays:
"On the robotoic front, the testing schedule for a critical instrument for the Mars Science Laboratory -- dubbed SAM for Sample Analysis at Mars -- may delay launch of the advanced rover from its 2009 planetary window into 2011." -------------------- |
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Oct 6 2008, 04:08 PM
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My reading of the tea leaves is the whole Mars Program is in serious trouble. JPL tried to do too big of a technological jump from MER to MSL and hit a brick wall. My impression is that we will be shifting away from Mars and focusing more on Venus probes (I am NOT happy about this). Both planets are extremely interesting. If anything MER showed Mars to be more interesting than we realized.
Venus exploration had previously not received the same attention as Mars. This was mainly due to the short life expectancy of anything reaching the Venusian surface (3 hours tops). It's politically difficult to justify the expense of sending something to another world that only survives for a couple hours (same problem with atmospheric probes to gas giants). That sort of argument was one of the reasons why MER was such an excellent concept, i.e. provides good science and political returns at a reasonable cost. Venus exploration has an additional political advantage in that it can be leverage against Global Warming concerns, i.e. the Venusian climate was ruined by a CO2 thermal runaway. Also Venusian EDL (Entry, Descent and Landing) tends to be easier than Martian EDL due to the denser atmosphere of Venus. The obvious downside with Venus is the horrific conditions on the Venusian surface, i.e. once you're below 50 km altitiude, it's raining sulfuric acid and you have to worry about supercritical CO2. I'm hoping we can get a Venus program up-and-running before the Mars program turns into a complete train wreck. We need to have some planetary program running in order to maintain our engineering expertise. |
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Oct 7 2008, 03:44 AM
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My reading of the tea leaves is the whole Mars Program is in serious trouble. JPL tried to do too big of a technological jump from MER to MSL and hit a brick wall. Is this view based on anything except your opinion and reading of the media reports? I would suggest that further discussion on this thread wait for the outcome of the NASA HQ review. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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vjkane MSL schedule delay? Sep 9 2008, 08:10 PM
MahFL Oh crap, please say it's not true. Sep 10 2008, 04:45 PM
monitorlizard I read that same tidbit. It'll be interesting... Sep 10 2008, 06:19 PM
vjkane QUOTE (monitorlizard @ Sep 10 2008, 07:19... Sep 10 2008, 06:34 PM
vjkane Science magazine just published an article on the ... Sep 25 2008, 11:47 PM
Burmese Given the ongoing series of reported delays and se... Sep 26 2008, 05:14 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Burmese @ Sep 26 2008, 09:14 AM) S... Sep 26 2008, 06:15 PM

centsworth_II QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Sep 26 2008, 01:15 PM... Sep 26 2008, 06:40 PM
djellison QUOTE (Burmese @ Sep 26 2008, 06:14 PM) l... Sep 26 2008, 07:30 PM
siravan If MSL launch is in fact delayed until 2011, there... Sep 27 2008, 06:54 PM
Fran Ontanaya If a delay to 2011 allows to address the issues wi... Sep 27 2008, 07:07 PM
mars loon According to this new report in Aviation Week on O... Oct 3 2008, 04:11 PM
Vultur Ouch. I really, really hope they can finish buildi... Oct 4 2008, 12:37 AM
gallen_53 I have heard that $1.7 billion has already be... Oct 4 2008, 04:59 AM
djellison QUOTE (gallen_53 @ Oct 4 2008, 05:59 AM) ... Oct 4 2008, 09:06 AM
climber QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 4 2008, 11:06 AM) ... Oct 4 2008, 10:13 AM
Tman Yes, time to move on! And which one would you ... Oct 4 2008, 01:08 PM
vjkane I agree with Doug that simply buying more MERs ins... Oct 4 2008, 01:25 PM
Mariner9 The scary thing about the 'smaller cheaper rov... Oct 4 2008, 05:10 PM
imipak Whilst it's clear that neither MER or MSL are ... Oct 4 2008, 05:24 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (imipak @ Oct 4 2008, 01:24 PM) ...... Oct 4 2008, 06:01 PM
ElkGroveDan We are starting to tread into that circular discus... Oct 4 2008, 06:06 PM
vjkane QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Oct 4 2008, 07:06 PM... Oct 4 2008, 06:31 PM
dvandorn If you have a reliable committment to fly a rover ... Oct 4 2008, 06:21 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 4 2008, 02:21 PM) W... Oct 4 2008, 06:33 PM
vjkane QUOTE (dvandorn @ Oct 4 2008, 07:21 PM) I... Oct 4 2008, 06:41 PM
djellison What's the point in talking about flying ... Oct 4 2008, 06:54 PM
vjkane QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 4 2008, 07:54 PM) ... Oct 4 2008, 07:12 PM
Burmese My initial comments about MSL were intended to foc... Oct 4 2008, 07:51 PM
vjkane QUOTE (Burmese @ Oct 4 2008, 08:51 PM) ..... Oct 4 2008, 07:55 PM
climber I remember that one of the reason the MERs flew an... Oct 4 2008, 08:57 PM
Burmese http://www.mcclatchydc.com/science/story/53487.htm... Oct 5 2008, 07:29 PM
vjkane QUOTE (Burmese @ Oct 5 2008, 07:29 PM) ht... Oct 5 2008, 08:47 PM
vjkane I did more research on the enhanced ExoMars, and w... Oct 5 2008, 09:01 PM
SFJCody All very depressing stuff. I get the sense the US ... Oct 5 2008, 09:38 PM
Fran Ontanaya http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/overview/
QUO... Oct 5 2008, 09:31 PM
vjkane QUOTE (gallen_53 @ Oct 6 2008, 04:08 PM) ... Oct 6 2008, 04:22 PM

gallen_53 QUOTE (vjkane @ Oct 6 2008, 05:22 PM) I... Oct 6 2008, 04:45 PM

gallen_53 QUOTE (vjkane @ Oct 6 2008, 04:22 PM) Als... Oct 6 2008, 05:07 PM
andrea I want to add a "couple" of consideratio... Oct 7 2008, 05:02 AM
gallen_53 QUOTE (andrea @ Oct 7 2008, 05:02 AM) I c... Oct 7 2008, 07:22 PM
djellison I think it's worth reminding people of the str... Oct 6 2008, 05:22 PM
gallen_53 QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 6 2008, 05:22 PM) ... Oct 6 2008, 06:26 PM
djellison You've quoted what I've said - but you... Oct 6 2008, 06:29 PM
djellison OK - a post explicitly calling for a specific pers... Oct 6 2008, 07:43 PM
Burmese There are a number of mainstream media outlets car... Oct 6 2008, 08:04 PM
PhilHorzempa I imagine that someone at NASA has thought of this... Oct 7 2008, 02:56 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (PhilHorzempa @ Oct 6 2008, 07:56 P... Oct 7 2008, 03:42 AM
dmuller I dont know how much money can be saved by launchi... Oct 7 2008, 04:27 AM
Fran Ontanaya Good points. Both MER and Phoenix show what rovers... Oct 7 2008, 05:38 AM
Juramike space.com article on the MSL "issues". Oct 8 2008, 03:51 AM
gpurcell My guess is that MSL flies eventually, just becaus... Oct 8 2008, 02:59 PM
BrianL Oops, bordering on political there, better be care... Oct 8 2008, 05:45 PM
Sunspot MEDIA ADVISORY: M08-200
NASA TO PROVIDE MARS SCIE... Oct 9 2008, 09:57 PM
climber I would say that the Title already state that MSL ... Oct 10 2008, 01:37 PM
Stu I'd agree with that... whilst keeping my finge... Oct 10 2008, 03:27 PM
climber I fully agree Stu. You say the right worlds. May b... Oct 10 2008, 04:51 PM
imipak NASA TV doesn't seem to be carrying the press ... Oct 10 2008, 07:03 PM
punkboi Woohoo! Here's hoping everything is still... Oct 10 2008, 07:45 PM
elakdawalla Very short statement. Decision is to continue una... Oct 10 2008, 07:04 PM
centsworth_II "The descent stage, otherwise known as the sk... Oct 10 2008, 07:11 PM
ChrisC Grrrr, the promised streaming http://www.nasa.gov/... Oct 10 2008, 07:11 PM
ChrisC QUOTE (ChrisC @ Oct 10 2008, 02:11 PM) Gr... Oct 12 2008, 03:53 PM

djellison QUOTE (ChrisC @ Oct 12 2008, 04:53 PM) Ca... Oct 12 2008, 04:10 PM

climber QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 12 2008, 06:10 PM)... Oct 13 2008, 07:09 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (ChrisC @ Oct 10 2008, 03:11 PM) Gr... Oct 12 2008, 09:07 PM
rdale QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Oct 12 2008, 05:07... Oct 13 2008, 12:58 PM
elakdawalla You're not missing much. It's not too inf... Oct 10 2008, 07:15 PM
Stu I can't get on either... Never mind, not t... Oct 10 2008, 07:17 PM
elakdawalla The biggest thing causing both budget and schedule... Oct 10 2008, 07:21 PM
imipak Phew, that's a rare bit of good news. (I hope ... Oct 10 2008, 07:43 PM
centsworth_II QUOTE (imipak @ Oct 10 2008, 02:43 PM) ..... Oct 10 2008, 08:13 PM
elakdawalla The weight of MSL is the main problem. One specif... Oct 10 2008, 08:36 PM
centsworth_II "Among the major hardware problems: the actua... Oct 10 2008, 08:43 PM
imipak ( <snip!> lengthy ramble about the need ... Oct 10 2008, 08:55 PM
ustrax Fantastic piece of writing Emily!
Regardin... Oct 10 2008, 10:37 PM
climber QUOTE (ustrax @ Oct 11 2008, 12:37 AM) Fa... Oct 11 2008, 12:58 PM
Norm Hartnett http://www.lpi.usra.edu/pss/presentations/...10/gr... Oct 10 2008, 11:33 PM
gpurcell QUOTE (Norm Hartnett @ Oct 11 2008, 12:33... Oct 13 2008, 04:40 PM
MahFL Yes.....it's go !...for now.....
Go for M... Oct 13 2008, 04:54 PM

rdale QUOTE (MahFL @ Oct 13 2008, 12:54 PM) Yes... Oct 13 2008, 06:32 PM
SFJCody QUOTE (gpurcell @ Oct 13 2008, 05:40 PM) ... Oct 13 2008, 06:07 PM
Bobby From yahoo news.
No Delay from Nasa regarding MSL... Oct 11 2008, 06:17 AM
vjkane Alan Stern's thoughts on the MSL budget proble... Oct 30 2008, 09:25 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (vjkane @ Oct 30 2008, 01:25 PM) Al... Oct 31 2008, 02:10 AM![]() ![]() |
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