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Hubble Switchover to Side B, Please...keep this topic LEGAL!! |
Oct 18 2008, 12:52 AM
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Excerpted from CNN today:
Engineers at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland have hit a snag in their efforts to bring the Hubble Space Telescope back on-line after a major equipment failure in space last month. Hubble’s Science Instrument Control and Data Handling (SIC&DH) system went down September 27. This is the telescope’s on-board computer that coordinates commands to the various instruments and then downlinks the scientific data to the ground. While that computer is off-line, most science observations are at a standstill. The good news is that the computer was built with a fully redundant back-up channel called “Side B” designed to come on-line in the event “Side A” ever failed. Hubble team members at Goddard began a complicated process to switch over to “Side B” on Wednesday. This involved sending comprehensive software commands up to the telescope to essentially take control of Hubble’s suite of telescopes and other sensors through “Side B,” recalibrate all those instruments which went into safe-mode when the computer went down, start and stop gyroscopes, downlink data, and then check the data quality against some older “Side A” samples to make sure all is square. Problems cropped up somewhere in that process Thursday night. We haven’t been told yet exactly what happened. The team is meeting today to discuss a further troubleshooting plan. We may get additional details later when that meeting ends. I am told they don’t expect the issue to be resolved today. As noted, the switch-over process is extremely complicated, and it is probably to be expected that they would hit some sort of snag. Hopefully, they will work through it in the coming days and science operations can resume soon. Even if the switch-over to “Side B” fails (and it is far to soon to go there), the Hubble design team had the foresight 20 years ago to build a spare SIC&DH system, which has been warehoused at Goddard all this time while the original instrument perked along just fine... (Please, everyone, let's just leave it at that and stay within the guidelines for this forum) Keep your fingers crossed! -------------------- Jonathan Ward
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Oct 18 2008, 01:19 AM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Glad to hear that there is spare hardware on the ground for advanced troubleshooting. Hot mockups can be unbelievably useful for this application; used to have them all the time for F-4 avionics systems.
One thing that's been puzzling me, and maybe someone knows this answer, is why the redundant SIC&DH box reportedly hasn't been powered up for all these years. You'd think that they'd do this periodically just to verify its serviceability for just this situation. I'm guessing that this was not done as a mission risk avoidance measure (sounds like the switchover process is pretty involved), or that we've not been given all the boring (to the general public) details of the maintenance routine. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Oct 18 2008, 01:35 AM
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Oct 18 2008, 02:17 AM
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why the redundant SIC&DH box reportedly hasn't been powered up for all these years... This is *never* done for a cold-spare system. You'd feel like an idiot testing side B only to find that it didn't work and side A broke in the meantime. When MGS was lost, the side B MOC electronics had never been powered during flight at all. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Oct 18 2008, 02:25 AM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
Please read http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...;showtopic=5444 Specifically "The hubble servicing mission is off topic" Tread carefully everyone, very, very carefully. -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Oct 18 2008, 02:50 AM
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Got it, Mike; thanks for the quick & informative reply! Interesting, never knew this was a basic UMSF design principle.
Dan, I am truly hip, believe me... -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Oct 18 2008, 11:38 AM
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Does anyone know which CCD the HST is using?
Originally it was launched with a 2.56 million pixel CCD |
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Oct 18 2008, 12:29 PM
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It's more complex than that - it has several instruments, each of which will have one or more CCD's of their own.
For ACS, for example, there are a swath of different specs - http://adcam.pha.jhu.edu/instrument/overview/ |
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Oct 18 2008, 12:33 PM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 213 Joined: 21-January 07 From: Wigan, England Member No.: 1638 |
Does anyone know which CCD the HST is using? Originally it was launched with a 2.56 million pixel CCD HST has numerous CCDs in its instruments. I suppose you're referring to WF/PC-1? It was really a set of 8 CCDs (4 per plane) with a resolution of 800x800 pixels each. Here's a list of the detectors currently onboard: CODE ACS WFPC2 NICMOS STIS
Wavelength range (nm) WFC: 370-1100 115-1100 800-2500 FUV-MAMA:115-170 HRC: 200-1100 NUV-MAMA: 170-310 SBC: 115-170 CCD: 200-1100 Detector(s) SITe CCDs, MAMA Loral CCDs HgCdTe CCD, MAMAs Image format 2×2048×4096 4×800×800 256×256 1024×1024 1024×1024 256×256 1024×1024 1024×1024 256×256 1024×1024 |
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| Guest_PhilCo126_* |
Oct 18 2008, 02:33 PM
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Indeed, I was talking about HST's best CCD... didn't want to elaborate too much in this "delicate" topic
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Oct 18 2008, 03:17 PM
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![]() Interplanetary Dumpster Diver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 4407 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
Indeed, I was talking about HST's best CCD... didn't want to elaborate too much in this "delicate" topic That doesn't make any sense...Best is very dependent on what one is trying to do. -------------------- |
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Oct 22 2008, 12:25 PM
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NASA is struggling to resuscitate the Hubble Space Telescope and could decide this week that it's too risky to try to revive it before astronauts arrive on a servicing mission next year. Some engineers fear an attempt to restart a faulty low-voltage power supply on Hubble's Advanced Camera for Surveys could present a risk to one of its cameras and to plans for repairing two others.
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/200810...317/1006/news01 Hubble Space Telescope Fails at the Right Time, one month later and could be catastrophe. -------------------- Free software for planetary science (including Cassini Image Viewer).
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Oct 22 2008, 08:39 PM
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![]() Interplanetary Dumpster Diver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 4407 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
I wonder if they could use WF/PC2 and leave the ACS SBC off. What happened to NICMOS in all of this?
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Oct 22 2008, 09:01 PM
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What happened to NICMOS in all of this? http://www.stsci.edu/hst/nicmos/localNews?...SafingAndStatus But I guess this hasn't been updated since the SI C&DH anomaly happened. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Oct 22 2008, 09:56 PM
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![]() Interplanetary Dumpster Diver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 4407 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
Thanks! I wasn't really following this at that point.
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