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http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/dec/H...MSL_Update.html
From the wording of this announcement, MSL is clearly still on, which is a good thing. We'll have to wait and see. Doug |
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Dec 6 2008, 10:55 AM
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I would like notice that the postponement Mars Science Laboratory mission and the consequent increase costs may cause the termination of the mission Opportunity and Spirit. The consequences of this delay will be unpredictable, and Spirit and Oppy may be their first victims. I expect that shortly will begin dispute in NASA about this topic. The future does not look too good in my oppinion.
PS. I know that I can be banned by Doug due spreading defeatism. But that's not defeatism, we must be realistic. I think that this option we should also take into account. -------------------- Free software for planetary science (including Cassini Image Viewer).
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Dec 7 2008, 07:28 PM
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I know that I can be banned by Doug due spreading defeatism. You can be banned by any admin for breaking the forum rules. Being a realist isn't a crime. ANY mission in extended ops is at risk at any time. $400m over the, I think, 5 years that Doug Mc. described at the press conference, however, shouldn't lead to mission termination's. I believe Ed Weiler has gone on record saying MER wouldn't be a victim however. I can't find it - but I do remember it. MSL may change things, but I doubt it. DSN time is negligible given that downlink is almost exclusively on the back of MRO/MODY downlink anyway, and the DSN almost always has one asset mars pointed. It could be mega-cheap if they rode on the back of MRO given it's high downlink speed would mean even at MRO's lowest downlink rate, and a really good MER pass, it would take less than 4 minutes. ( 150mbits at 0.7mbps). Not sure how MER pays for relay and downlink - perhaps as a percentage of total downlink multiplied by DSN cost for the relaying spacecraft. |
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djellison Dec 4th News Conference Dec 3 2008, 08:58 PM
Stu I know a lot of people involved with MSL lurk here... Dec 3 2008, 09:06 PM
SFJCody Might be a delay announcement Dec 4 2008, 12:00 AM
djellison QUOTE (SFJCody @ Dec 4 2008, 12:00 AM) Mi... Dec 4 2008, 12:01 AM
centsworth_II I guess they can report on whether the actuators n... Dec 4 2008, 07:01 AM
mars loon It does sound more like a delay
especially in li... Dec 4 2008, 03:00 PM
Stu Anyone here who wants to watch the briefing but ha... Dec 4 2008, 04:54 PM
dvandorn And it's official -- launch delay to 2011, pri... Dec 4 2008, 05:03 PM
MahFL NO !!!!!!!!!... Dec 4 2008, 05:09 PM
dvandorn I understand the feeling.
In addition, there is a... Dec 4 2008, 05:12 PM
Stu Disappointing, I know, but much, much better to de... Dec 4 2008, 05:15 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Stu @ Dec 4 2008, 09:15 AM) ...ver... Dec 4 2008, 05:25 PM
dvandorn Charles Elachi -- "It doesn't matter if y... Dec 4 2008, 05:17 PM
dvandorn You sure, Mike? Griffin says that the coast therm... Dec 4 2008, 05:27 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (dvandorn @ Dec 4 2008, 09:27 AM) G... Dec 4 2008, 05:49 PM
elakdawalla The 2011 launch window is in December, right? Doe... Dec 4 2008, 05:34 PM
dvandorn And for those of you who are hoping that your pet ... Dec 4 2008, 05:38 PM
dvandorn When asked why it's so important to have the a... Dec 4 2008, 05:43 PM
djellison 2011 window is October to December - yet to be det... Dec 4 2008, 05:43 PM
elakdawalla My question was answered. 2011 goes from Oct thro... Dec 4 2008, 05:43 PM
dvandorn OK, Mike -- thanks. I just figured that since the... Dec 4 2008, 05:53 PM
elakdawalla Dammit, they didn't get to me on the phone que... Dec 4 2008, 05:58 PM
ElkGroveDan I've been wondering that too Emily.
I just ch... Dec 4 2008, 06:14 PM
dvandorn Spoke too soon, there, eh, Emily? Good to hear yo... Dec 4 2008, 06:01 PM
djellison Damn good question Emily. Dec 4 2008, 06:01 PM
dvandorn Also good to hear that the decay of the plutonium ... Dec 4 2008, 06:03 PM
elakdawalla Is 5% insignificant, given the fact that the trave... Dec 4 2008, 06:04 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 10:04 AM... Dec 4 2008, 06:52 PM
elakdawalla OK, and here's one more question that I wouldn... Dec 4 2008, 06:34 PM
ugordan QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 07:34 PM... Dec 4 2008, 06:38 PM
jsheff QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 01:34 PM... Dec 4 2008, 06:51 PM

ugordan QUOTE (jsheff @ Dec 4 2008, 07:51 PM) Out... Dec 4 2008, 06:54 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 01:34 PM... Dec 4 2008, 06:55 PM
sci44 Wasn't there talk of Maven being delayed? Anot... Dec 4 2008, 06:51 PM
elakdawalla Ah, I hadn't realized that. Thanks. --Emily Dec 4 2008, 06:52 PM
elakdawalla The only other Mars mission NASA is currently deve... Dec 4 2008, 06:57 PM
djellison Key point I got was that the $400m is not in ... Dec 4 2008, 07:02 PM
ugordan QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 4 2008, 08:02 PM) ... Dec 4 2008, 07:09 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 4 2008, 11:02 AM) ... Dec 4 2008, 07:27 PM
Enceladus75 It's somewhat disappointing to see that MSL ha... Dec 4 2008, 08:08 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (Enceladus75 @ Dec 4 2008, 12:08 PM... Dec 4 2008, 08:30 PM
sci44 It doesnt sound like NASA has funds for the Teleco... Dec 4 2008, 08:30 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (sci44 @ Dec 4 2008, 12:30 PM) ESA ... Dec 4 2008, 09:01 PM
djellison A failure of MODY, MRO AND MEX in 4 years? Highly... Dec 4 2008, 08:38 PM
elakdawalla Yeah, I've little doubt that, barring some rea... Dec 4 2008, 08:41 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 12:41 PM... Dec 4 2008, 09:17 PM
djellison By then, hopefully, we'll have Maven Dec 4 2008, 08:45 PM
sci44 But we may need to delay Maven to pay for MSL. The... Dec 4 2008, 08:50 PM
djellison QUOTE (sci44 @ Dec 4 2008, 08:50 PM) But ... Dec 4 2008, 09:10 PM
elakdawalla I just got an official reply to my question from D... Dec 4 2008, 09:36 PM
OWW QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 10:36 PM... Dec 4 2008, 09:53 PM
mars loon Overall I was encouraged by the decisions and prog... Dec 4 2008, 10:22 PM
sci44 So it sounds like they can use MEX too. I did have... Dec 4 2008, 10:25 PM
PaulM Does the two Year delay change the time of Year at... Dec 4 2008, 10:55 PM

Tesheiner QUOTE (PaulM @ Dec 4 2008, 11:55 PM) Does... Dec 5 2008, 09:11 AM

PaulM QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Dec 5 2008, 10:11 AM) ... Dec 5 2008, 09:44 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (sci44 @ Dec 4 2008, 02:25 PM) [DTE... Dec 4 2008, 10:57 PM
ElkGroveDan QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 4 2008, 02:57 PM)... Dec 4 2008, 11:08 PM
djellison MER passes were typically 30 - 90 minutes, and MER... Dec 4 2008, 11:18 PM
ElkGroveDan True, but you had an orbiting satellite which has ... Dec 4 2008, 11:29 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Dec 4 2008, 03:29 PM... Dec 4 2008, 11:40 PM
djellison That is DTE session.
UHF sessions with orbite... Dec 4 2008, 11:40 PM
Bobby Oppy & Spirit will still be Trucking Along in ... Dec 4 2008, 11:57 PM
sci44 QUOTE (Bobby @ Dec 4 2008, 11:57 PM) Oppy... Dec 5 2008, 12:08 AM
nprev Hmm. You know, if (a big if indeed, I know) the ME... Dec 5 2008, 12:58 AM
mcaplinger QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 4 2008, 04:58 PM) Can ... Dec 5 2008, 03:52 AM
elakdawalla As much as I love and admire the MERs, I think hav... Dec 5 2008, 04:18 AM
nprev True, Emily. Playing "what-if" is a very... Dec 5 2008, 04:42 AM
monitorlizard If I'm interpreting Ed Weiler correctly, NASA ... Dec 5 2008, 09:28 AM
mps QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 4 2008, 08:34 PM... Dec 5 2008, 09:43 AM
elakdawalla It's a good question but I don't know what... Dec 5 2008, 05:45 PM
Doc 3 of the landing sites currently being considered ... Dec 5 2008, 06:44 PM
brellis Alan Stern had something to say about this today: ... Dec 6 2008, 05:07 AM
dvandorn At the risk of continuing this divergence in the t... Dec 6 2008, 05:17 PM
dvandorn I just went looking for a rate table of DSN fees, ... Dec 8 2008, 04:35 AM
djellison QUOTE (dvandorn @ Dec 8 2008, 04:35 AM) S... Dec 8 2008, 08:45 AM
dvandorn Oh, agreed. And obviously, according to the formu... Dec 8 2008, 02:03 PM
ilbasso Maybe USMF members can all point their satellite T... Dec 8 2008, 03:24 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (ilbasso @ Dec 8 2008, 07:24 AM) Ma... Dec 8 2008, 04:04 PM
ilbasso No, I didn't think this was physically possibl... Dec 8 2008, 08:04 PM
imipak Per "The Problem With Wikipedia" ( http:... Dec 8 2008, 09:14 PM
RoverDriver Suppose you are in your livingroom and want to hea... Dec 9 2008, 12:06 AM
ElkGroveDan Perfect example Paolo! (you crack me up). Dec 9 2008, 12:41 AM
Pando Paolo, you just made my day... Dec 9 2008, 03:57 AM
Oersted 2 years delay = 2 MSLīs?
I am sure they can scro... Dec 10 2008, 11:03 PM
djellison QUOTE (Oersted @ Dec 10 2008, 11:03 PM) 2... Dec 11 2008, 07:59 AM![]() ![]() |
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