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MouseOnMars
post Dec 27 2008, 03:59 PM
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Hello,

The project "Space Data Wiki" is looking for help, volunteers, kind words, ideas, and constructive criticism.

To explain Space Data Wiki. Think of SDW as the Wikipedia of the visual exploration of space images. A user can add a comment to some interesting or notable feature which will start a new wiki page visible in the comment bubble ... the same bubbles you might have seen in Google Earth. They will be able to share that comment and area of the image on Facebook, or upload the image area to Flickr. Many other possible social interactions are possible using the application layers and toolsets provided by the social web.

I have a Web Map Server already setup using Geoserver and I am in the process of developing the SDW web app using Open Layers. I am using the HiRise feed published by Ross Beyer of the HiRise team. I am working on projecting a HiRise jp2 image onto my map to experiment with the commenting. The NASA / Google agreement will eventually furnish us with a full Mars web map service including all the HiRise images as well as other sources. These data sources will be used in SDW. The commenting system can be cross application. I already have a development plugin in NASA Worldwind to allow commenting using that. The comments could also be fed to Google Earth (set up to show Mars).

So my "mission" is to make exploration as accessible as possible, but also a social endeavour.


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post Dec 27 2008, 04:20 PM
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Since the PDS stuff is already public domain, what would setting this Wiki up add to it?


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post Dec 27 2008, 04:32 PM
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And what does it offer that ASU's Mars Data system doesn't?
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post Dec 27 2008, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 27 2008, 11:20 AM) *
...what would setting this Wiki up add...?

From the site linked in the opening post:

"Primarily an application to allow collaborative commenting of geographic maps and images....SDW will provide many interesting social networking features.... Of course the whole thing will be related to space, but SDW will also be a place where one can come and meet people and get to know people."

Who knows, it could be an interesting new way for people interested in things space-related to get together.
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post Dec 27 2008, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Dec 27 2008, 08:46 AM) *
Who knows, it could be an interesting new way for people interested in things space-related to get together.


....because there is no place else to do that. In fact I was mentioning it to stu, nprev, elakdawalla, roverdriver, and vmcgregor in Los Angeles a couple months ago. Just no place for we enthusiasts to get to know each other and meet.


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post Dec 27 2008, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Dec 27 2008, 11:55 AM) *
....because there is no place else to do that....

Maybe the people who have been thrown out of here will be interested. UMSF is great for what it provides (which is a great deal!), but it's tone is not to everyone's liking. No one site can be all things to all people. I'm not a Facebook or Myspace type person, but there are many who are and a space-related site based on that model may bring a lot of new people to the table.
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post Dec 27 2008, 05:58 PM
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Just looks like a solution searching for a problem to me. huh.gif
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post Dec 27 2008, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 27 2008, 12:58 PM) *
Just looks like a solution searching for a problem to me.

There are plenty of space-related discussions that you do not allow to go on at UMSF for one reason or another. You tell people who complain to go somewhere else or start their own site. So, here is "somewhere else". People may find it worthwhile, they may not. That remains to be seen.
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post Dec 27 2008, 06:36 PM
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Thanks for the replies !

QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Dec 27 2008, 04:55 PM) *
....because there is no place else to do that. In fact I was mentioning it to stu, nprev, elakdawalla, roverdriver, and vmcgregor in Los Angeles a couple months ago. Just no place for we enthusiasts to get to know each other and meet.


Well, apart from here of course. Or Space.com, Nasaspaceflight.com ... probably a few others. Nevertheless maybe you could mention the SDW project to these people ?

QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Dec 27 2008, 05:22 PM) *
Maybe the people who have been thrown out of here will be interested. UMSF is great for what it provides (which is a great deal!), but it's tone is not to everyone's liking. No one site can be all things to all people. I'm not a Facebook or Myspace type person, but there are many who are and a space-related site based on that model may bring a lot of new people to the table.


I'm aware that some people absolutely loathe Youtube, or Facebook, or whatever, but of course some people love it. SDW will probably include the horrors of "Youtube'ism" comments, vandalism, and all that kind of thing. But Wikipedia has managed to put in mechanisms to deal with that kind of behaviour. I'm not asking anyone to endorse the project, but to have input from knowledgeable members here would be very valuable.


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post Dec 27 2008, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Dec 27 2008, 06:33 PM) *
People may find it worthwhile, they may not. That remains to be seen.


Exactly - that was my point.
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post Dec 27 2008, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE (MouseOnMars @ Dec 27 2008, 01:36 PM) *
I'm not asking anyone to endorse the project, but to have input from knowledgeable members here would be very valuable.

And anyone interested in outreach should welcome the chance to connect with a new group of people, assuming the new site reaches people that do not frequent the current flock of space-related websites.
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post Dec 28 2008, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Dec 27 2008, 07:05 PM) *
And anyone interested in outreach should welcome the chance to connect with a new group of people, assuming the new site reaches people that do not frequent the current flock of space-related websites.


More so, the "Social Web", as well as allowing social interaction, is a powerful tool ...

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Reed's paper, "That Sneaky Exponential—Beyond Metcalfe's Law to the Power of Community Building," goes on to explain why social networking may in fact be the most powerful networking imperative in history:

"While many kinds of value grow proportionally to network size and some grow proportionally to the square of network size, I've discovered that some network structures create total value that can scale even faster than that. Networks that support the construction of communicating groups create value that scales exponentially with network size, i.e. much more rapidly than Metcalfe's square law."[4]


( Quoted from "The Social Web: Building an Open Social Network with XDI" )

So as well as creating an interesting social atmosphere for exploration, a Social Web application can draw on a huge leverage of investigation and curiosity that can explore the massive amount of data and images flowing down from MRO, for example, and many other probes in the future.

This is not only relevant to the "hobby" social environment ...

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The significance of this evolutionary step is described in a seminal 2003 paper titled "The Augmented Social Network"[1] by Ken Jordan, Jan Hauser, and Steven Foster. As they put it:

"Much has been written recently about the power of social networks and the famed 'six degrees of separation.' Suppose you could go online and make relevant connections with others from whom you are separated by one, two, or three degrees? Suppose that while working on a solar energy project in California, you could use such a system to find an engineer in Shanghai whose experience is directly relevant to your project? Could the Internet be used to establish networks of trust that cross traditional borders? Can the Internet be better at supporting the ability of citizens to self-organize and participate in civil society?"


What if that solar project worker was a Scientist with a particular interest in Mars Craters ? Or some other investigator with a research problem ? The Social Web technology has some interesting possibilities for research teams.


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post Dec 28 2008, 05:21 PM
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I'm a relative late-comer to this newfangled FriendFace-type stuff, but I despite approaching them with pretty cynical expectations I've had some serendipitous moments from social networking sites. ISTR spotting quite a few, uh, "UMSF regulars", too... There's SciLink, too, but the more the merrier as far as I'm concerned; TIMTOWTDI. Good luck, MouseOnMars!



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post Dec 28 2008, 07:20 PM
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Thankyou kind Sir. I will try to develop some cunning virus analogies to use in the promotion of the project as your video guide suggests wink.gif


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post Jan 15 2009, 07:12 PM
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How to use Social Networking Sites to Explore Space

A study by the think tank Demos as reported by BBC News ...

Bosses 'should embrace Facebook'

... confirms some of the core aims of the SDW project.

"He said his customers used the software to set out problems which they faced and then threw them open to employees."The first people to respond might not know the answer, but they could suggest somebody who does," he said."Within a few days, they are able to get enough people from across the organisation with the right expertise to work on it."And by focusing the minds of a group of people on a specific task, you can find a solution much more quickly than you would do otherwise."

Some of the responses I've had from the space industry have been far from encouraging [please note - I'm talking in general terms here, not about this site !] , not unlike the "ban facebook" office manager response. Understandable from an efficiency standpoint, but ultimately misguided. Of course unreasonable usage cannot be condoned, but we are social beings and most people know how to pace and discipline themselves in the social world.

So to restate SDW aims. There's a lot to explore out there. Data systems continue to be filled with ever increasing amounts of images with little of no leverage of modern technology to examine them using a collaborative approach. This study goes some way to legitimising the belief of the SDW project that social networking systems can be used to improve the approach to space exploration.


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