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On my website sometime back, I added a page on the image fragment sent back by the Mars-3 Lander. I released serveral versions, including the best quality processing using othodox techniques I would use on other images plus colorization here:
http://pages.preferred.com/%7Etedstryk/fragmentc.jpg However, I released another image, which I called a "What if" image. This image can be seen here http://pages.preferred.com/%7Etedstryk/m3s5b.jpg It was produced via extreme processing of the original data to make a Mars-like scene, but I made it clear on my website it was only a speculative image. I strongly doubt if the raw data even shows Mars at all - it could be all noise. But since this mode of processing looked strangely Viking-like, I figured I would put it on the web. I was warned by several, who said that while fun, some kooks might take it seriously. My response was that I really don't care what kooks think. Then I noticed this web page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_2 They used the overprocessed image. I feel like it is being presented as a true photograph. This is of concern. -------------------- |
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Merciless Robot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 8791 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Thank you for this very comprehensive and interesting analysis, Geert.
I'm more convinced than ever that the only way that these landers will ever be found is by somebody tripping over them in the year 2300 or so. We've already seen that very recent meteoritic impacts leave pronounced scars on the Martian landscape, which is a significant contribution to the S/N ratio; given also the large uncertainty in landing locations (to say nothing of circumstances), there's really no assured way to find them from orbital imagery. Now, since historically every absolute statement I've ever made has been 100% wrong, let's sit back & wait for the break-through. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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tedstryk Mars 3 (Various Topics Merged) Dec 29 2004, 10:36 PM
lyford Since it's Wikipedia, can't you just delet... Dec 29 2004, 11:09 PM
tedstryk Thanks. I will be updating the Phobos-2 section s... Dec 30 2004, 01:12 AM
PhilHorzempa [size=2]
With regard to the Soviet Mars lan... Apr 18 2006, 10:02 PM
BruceMoomaw The Soviets actually do firmly know why Mars 2 fai... Apr 18 2006, 10:18 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 18 2006, 10:18 P... Apr 18 2006, 10:41 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 18 2006, 04:18 P... Apr 19 2006, 03:59 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (The Messenger @ Apr 19 2006, 08:59... Apr 19 2006, 04:20 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Apr 19 2006, 10:20 AM... Apr 19 2006, 05:56 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (The Messenger @ Apr 19 2006, 10:56... Apr 19 2006, 06:20 PM
The Messenger QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Apr 19 2006, 12:20 PM... Apr 21 2006, 03:53 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (The Messenger @ Apr 21 2006, 08:53... Apr 21 2006, 04:28 PM
BruceMoomaw Oh, yes, Perminov goes into great detail about the... Apr 19 2006, 02:49 PM
PhilHorzempa [size=2]
This discussion is very relevant to ... Apr 19 2006, 04:53 PM
tasp Sorry I can't cite a reference for this, but i... Apr 19 2006, 05:51 PM
ljk4-1 Two very relevant documents to this thread online:... Apr 19 2006, 06:01 PM
tasp QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 29 2004, 05:36 PM) ... Apr 19 2006, 06:06 PM
Phil Stooke tasp said "can any amount of processing put c... Apr 19 2006, 08:12 PM
djellison My take on it is - it might be a real picture, and... Apr 19 2006, 08:41 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (djellison @ Apr 19 2006, 08:41 PM)... Apr 19 2006, 10:16 PM
BruceMoomaw QUOTE (tedstryk @ Apr 19 2006, 10:16 PM) ... Apr 20 2006, 01:52 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Apr 20 2006, 01:52 A... Apr 20 2006, 02:35 AM
ljk4-1 As I recall, the famous Mars 3 image was first sho... Apr 20 2006, 12:22 AM
BruceMoomaw Yeah, atmospheric conditions would have a lot to d... Apr 20 2006, 05:05 AM
ljk4-1 This company (which I have no involvement with) is... May 1 2006, 04:01 PM
Bob Shaw QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ May 1 2006, 05:01 PM... May 1 2006, 05:08 PM
tedstryk I have one, and am quite fond of it May 1 2006, 08:28 PM
vikingmars QUOTE (tedstryk @ Dec 30 2004, 12:36 AM) ... May 2 2006, 08:37 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (vikingmars @ May 2 2006, 08:37 AM)... May 2 2006, 09:32 AM
djellison Might it be a vertically oriented image, but with ... May 2 2006, 09:59 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (djellison @ May 2 2006, 09:59 AM) ... May 2 2006, 10:23 AM
4th rock from the sun QUOTE (djellison @ May 2 2006, 10:59 AM) ... May 2 2006, 01:44 PM
vikingmars QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 2 2006, 03... May 3 2006, 08:57 AM
4th rock from the sun Just some data, to make things clearer:
The Mars ... May 3 2006, 03:14 PM
PhilHorzempa I thought that we could try to get the record stra... May 10 2006, 04:42 AM
Phil Stooke I have never heard 'Mars 8' used for that ... May 10 2006, 04:59 PM
ljk4-1 QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 10 2006, 12:59 P... May 10 2006, 05:23 PM
tedstryk Mars '96 would have been Mars 8 if it hadn... May 10 2006, 05:29 PM
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Adam I might be wrong, but wasn't it pretty much de... Dec 2 2007, 12:12 PM
Zvezdichko Yes. There have been speculations based on this im... Dec 2 2007, 12:16 PM
nprev A date & an achievement worth noting to be sur... Dec 2 2007, 01:17 PM
Zvezdichko Yes, only 14 years after Sputnik mankind achieved ... Dec 2 2007, 10:33 PM
dilo Perhaps a little bit OT, but not completely...
Tod... Dec 2 2007, 11:14 PM
peter59 QUOTE (dilo @ Dec 3 2007, 12:14 AM) Is in... Dec 3 2007, 06:13 PM
dilo QUOTE (peter59 @ Dec 3 2007, 07:13 PM) EX... Dec 4 2007, 04:28 PM
nprev You're absolutely right, Dilo...we need to kee... Dec 3 2007, 02:48 AM
Shaka Good, that makes three dreamers at UMSF.
How many ... Dec 3 2007, 05:20 AM
marsbug QUOTE (Shaka @ Dec 3 2007, 05:20 AM)
Go... Dec 4 2007, 04:48 PM
PDP8E another more recent thread (36 years on mars) has ... Dec 3 2007, 02:56 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (PDP8E @ Dec 3 2007, 02:56 PM) anot... Dec 3 2007, 05:22 PM
PhilCo126 Wait one minute, a topic on spacecraft lost around... Dec 4 2007, 06:55 PM
PDP8E MY SPECULATIVE ANALYSIS OF THE SOVIET MARS 3 LANDE... Dec 12 2007, 06:57 PM
vikingmars QUOTE (PDP8E @ Dec 12 2007, 07:57 PM) Som... Dec 16 2007, 09:34 PM
Phil Stooke "Its easy…look in and near northern Ptolemy C... Dec 12 2007, 07:50 PM
djellison So a 400km x 400km search box. 160,000 sqkm
That... Dec 12 2007, 08:02 PM
PDP8E A brief scan of the web turned up these images of ... Dec 14 2007, 03:51 PM
Paolo QUOTE (PDP8E @ Dec 14 2007, 04:51 PM) A b... Dec 15 2007, 08:18 AM
PhilCo126 Thanks for sharing those photos and only the black... Dec 15 2007, 05:54 PM
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Geert Various sources all seem to confirm that the camer... Jun 6 2008, 07:56 AM
tedstryk Two or three minutes into the transmission, the fi... Jun 6 2008, 01:50 PM
aconnell Dear Tedstryk. I'd be really grateful if you c... Jun 6 2008, 05:11 PM
tedstryk It was an image I clearly labeled a "what if... Jun 6 2008, 05:46 PM
nprev I don't know, Ted. They're undeniably fasc... Jun 6 2008, 07:06 PM
tedstryk nprev, as I said in my description at the beginnin... Jun 6 2008, 08:26 PM
Geert On his excellent site on Soviet Space Cameras ( ht... Jun 7 2008, 08:42 AM
aconnell Many thanks Ted. I can remember as a teenager in t... Jun 7 2008, 02:09 PM
tedstryk It is a shame they didn't start the transmissi... Jun 7 2008, 02:26 PM
Zvezdichko Conspiracy theorists are and will always be a lost... Jun 7 2008, 02:39 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 7 2008, 02:39 PM)... Jun 7 2008, 03:02 PM
Zvezdichko Yeah, MetNet is an elegant decision. However, I... Jun 7 2008, 03:23 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 7 2008, 03:23 PM)... Jun 7 2008, 03:28 PM
tedstryk Oh, OK, in the sense of possible launch failure. ... Jun 7 2008, 03:46 PM
Zvezdichko I personally see Volna as an unreliable vehicle. Jun 7 2008, 03:35 PM
Zvezdichko Yeah, that's what I meant. Volna failed to lau... Jun 7 2008, 03:49 PM
tedstryk My guess is that the little Chinese orbiter took i... Jun 7 2008, 03:54 PM
Zvezdichko I understand, but I also don't see how the des... Jun 7 2008, 04:02 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 7 2008, 04:02 PM)... Jun 7 2008, 04:05 PM
Zvezdichko You are probably right. The Chinese orbiter will b... Jun 7 2008, 04:17 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 7 2008, 05:17 PM)... Jun 7 2008, 06:16 PM
Zvezdichko Yeah, that's why the failure of Mars 96 was re... Jun 7 2008, 06:41 PM
tedstryk I hope it makes it on there!
By the way, here... Jun 8 2008, 04:34 AM
Zvezdichko Ted, I'm reading the upper link with a great i... Jun 8 2008, 07:54 AM
tedstryk I don't think the Mars-6 flyby module took ima... Jun 8 2008, 12:52 PM
Geert QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jun 8 2008, 02:54 PM)... Jun 9 2008, 05:12 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (Geert @ Jun 9 2008, 06:12 AM) The ... Jun 9 2008, 12:53 PM
Phil Stooke A different story on Mars 2 and Mars 3.
Where d... Feb 5 2009, 12:14 AM
tedstryk According to Sasha Basilevsky, Hellas was chosen f... Feb 5 2009, 12:39 AM
Phil Stooke Yikes - Google Mars has Mars 2 at the stupid Wikip... Feb 5 2009, 04:36 AM
Geert QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 5 2009, 11:36 AM... Feb 6 2009, 09:38 AM
Phil Stooke Way off course by a few hundred km maybe, not half... Feb 6 2009, 11:50 AM
Geert QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 6 2009, 06:50 PM... Feb 7 2009, 04:51 AM
tedstryk QUOTE (Geert @ Feb 7 2009, 05:51 AM) It i... Feb 7 2009, 01:47 PM
DDAVIS 'The fact that the landingsites were chosen fr... Feb 7 2009, 10:05 PM
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Phil Stooke http://www.laspace.ru/rus/mars23.php
Lavochkin we... Feb 14 2009, 02:51 AM
Geert QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 14 2009, 09:51 A... Feb 14 2009, 05:26 AM
Geert Forgot to mention that according to the above reas... Feb 14 2009, 05:41 AM![]() ![]() |
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