On-orbit Satellite Collision |
On-orbit Satellite Collision |
Feb 11 2009, 09:35 PM
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Two satellites collide in orbit
BY WILLIAM HARWOOD Posted: February 11, 2009 In an unprecedented space collision, a commercial Iridium communications satellite and a presumably defunct Russian Cosmos satellite ran into each other Tuesday above northern Siberia, creating a cloud of wreckage, officials said today. Iridium satellite An artist's concept of an Iridium satellite orbiting the Earth. Photo: Iridium The international space station does not appear to be threatened by the debris, they said, but it's not yet clear whether it poses a risk to any other military or civilian satellites. "They collided at an altitude of 790 kilometers (491 miles) over northern Siberia Tuesday about noon Washington time," said Nicholas Johnson, NASA's chief scientist for orbital debris at the Johnson Space Center in Houston. "The U.S. space surveillance network detected a large number of debris from both objects." MORE..... http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0902/11iridium/ -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Feb 12 2009, 10:59 AM
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I wondered that too, G. The Cosmos seemed to be dead already, but the Iridium's condition wasn't stated. All I can think is that the Russians weren't keeping tabs on the Cosmos anymore, and maybe the Iridium wasn't being tracked because it's a private spacecraft...?
There's obviously some sort of disconnect here, but not sure what it is. EDIT: It seems that the Iridium was in fact still active, so this remains puzzling. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Feb 12 2009, 01:35 PM
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EDIT: It seems that the Iridium was in fact still active, so this remains puzzling. Do the Iridium satellites have own maneuvering engines? The space shuttle and ISS have several times dodged potential close encounter situations, but other craft simply do not have the capacity for this (Hubble for instance...). What surprises me is that this happened at 800 km, as far as I know there is a lot more traffic further down (ISS altitude) and/or higher up (stationary orbits). Also, what kind of orbit was the other satellite in, in other words how fast did they hit? Worst case is a kind of chain-reaction, this has resulted in a large cloud of debris, which will slowly spiral down through all the other crowded orbits below, and it might hit other satellites in turn. Big satellites like Hubble, which can't steer themselves out of the way, are the most vulnerable, hope it stays clear! Regards, Geert. |
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Feb 12 2009, 01:39 PM
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Do the Iridium satellites have own maneuvering engines? I believe so, given that one of the 8 "spare" satellites will now be moved into Iridium 33's position. Also, what kind of orbit was the other satellite in, in other words how fast did they hit? Roughly polar orbits. They hit at almost a 90 degree angle and that comes out to something like 11 km/s relative velocity. Ouch. http://spaceweather.com/swpod2009/12feb09/deak1.gif -------------------- |
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Feb 12 2009, 05:43 PM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 232 Joined: 5-June 08 From: Udon Thani Member No.: 4185 |
They hit at almost a 90 degree angle and that comes out to something like 11 km/s relative velocity. Ouch. http://spaceweather.com/swpod2009/12feb09/deak1.gif That picture says it all, the more you think about it the more perplexed you are that this could happen, such a tremendously small chance... Two satellites, each over 1 ton in weight, hitting at 11 km/sec, must have been quite some fireworks in the Siberian sky, some of the fragments might even have made it into solar orbit... Shape and progression of this debris cloud will indeed be an interesting mathematical experiment... Regards, Geert. |
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ElkGroveDan On-orbit Satellite Collision Feb 11 2009, 09:35 PM
OWW Two satellites collide in orbit
Ouch. How long be... Feb 11 2009, 09:58 PM
nprev Holy crap!
Man, I knew it was getting crowde... Feb 11 2009, 11:25 PM
Zvezdichko This is bad. I hope it's not too late... Feb 12 2009, 09:12 AM
ugordan What puzzles me is how come this collision wasn... Feb 12 2009, 09:25 AM
PFK QUOTE (ugordan @ Feb 12 2009, 01:39 PM) T... Feb 13 2009, 07:52 AM
rlorenz QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Feb 11 2009, 04:35 P... Feb 12 2009, 11:27 AM
nprev True, Ralph. I think that the 'first' here... Feb 12 2009, 12:17 PM
AndyG There's a trillion cubic kilometres of space i... Feb 12 2009, 01:52 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (AndyG @ Feb 12 2009, 09:52 AM) The... Feb 12 2009, 05:40 PM

AndyG QUOTE (stevesliva @ Feb 12 2009, 05:40 PM... Feb 12 2009, 08:51 PM
tedstryk QUOTE (AndyG @ Feb 12 2009, 02:52 PM) The... Feb 13 2009, 12:53 PM
dvandorn I don't know, it seems to me that, with the nu... Feb 12 2009, 02:08 PM
algorimancer Yes, considering that they (apparently) routinely ... Feb 12 2009, 03:19 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (algorimancer @ Feb 12 2009, 11:19 ... Feb 12 2009, 05:43 PM
ugordan QUOTE (stevesliva @ Feb 12 2009, 06:43 PM... Feb 12 2009, 05:48 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (ugordan @ Feb 12 2009, 01:48 PM) H... Feb 12 2009, 05:50 PM
ugordan QUOTE (stevesliva @ Feb 12 2009, 06:50 PM... Feb 12 2009, 05:56 PM
tasp Not to make light of this occurrence, but trackin... Feb 12 2009, 03:40 PM
ngunn QUOTE (tasp @ Feb 12 2009, 03:40 PM) fasc... Feb 12 2009, 04:35 PM
djellison At 7.5km/sec - it takes about 0.00013s for a space... Feb 12 2009, 05:50 PM
AndyG QUOTE (djellison @ Feb 12 2009, 05:50 PM)... Feb 12 2009, 08:48 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (AndyG @ Feb 12 2009, 04:48 PM) tha... Feb 12 2009, 09:30 PM
djellison QUOTE (AndyG @ Feb 12 2009, 08:48 PM) It... Feb 12 2009, 11:12 PM
dvandorn The only way in which I think you could say that t... Feb 12 2009, 06:06 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 12 2009, 10:06 AM) ... Feb 12 2009, 06:38 PM
djellison QUOTE (dvandorn @ Feb 12 2009, 06:06 PM) ... Feb 12 2009, 06:45 PM
ngunn A question - could a defunct satellite suddenly sp... Feb 12 2009, 06:59 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (ngunn @ Feb 12 2009, 02:59 PM) A q... Feb 12 2009, 07:29 PM
ngunn QUOTE (stevesliva @ Feb 12 2009, 07:29 PM... Feb 12 2009, 11:08 PM
mcaplinger One has to keep in mind that satellite paths are n... Feb 12 2009, 08:20 PM
nprev Mike, you're right; even the GPS constellation... Feb 12 2009, 08:33 PM
mcaplinger QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 12 2009, 12:33 PM) Cou... Feb 12 2009, 08:53 PM
nprev Thanks, Mike. Wow. Think we might have found the d... Feb 12 2009, 09:02 PM
imipak QUOTE (algorimancer @ Feb 12 2009, 03:19 ... Feb 12 2009, 09:04 PM
OWW Speculation: Maybe Cosmos 2251 very recently suffe... Feb 12 2009, 09:31 PM
AndyG QUOTE (OWW @ Feb 12 2009, 09:31 PM) Specu... Feb 12 2009, 10:02 PM
nprev Thing is, all the press reports seem to imply a he... Feb 12 2009, 10:19 PM
dvandorn Statistics are what people play around with while ... Feb 13 2009, 02:10 AM
kwan3217 From the http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Feb-2009/ind... Feb 13 2009, 04:58 AM
ilbasso They have moved the ISS orbit - what, 8 times? - b... Feb 13 2009, 04:59 AM
nprev The only thing to be sure of is that this event is... Feb 13 2009, 11:40 AM
ngunn I don't get this (from spaceweather):
"T... Feb 13 2009, 11:58 AM
ugordan QUOTE (ngunn @ Feb 13 2009, 12:58 PM) If ... Feb 13 2009, 12:03 PM
ngunn QUOTE (ugordan @ Feb 13 2009, 12:03 PM) Y... Feb 13 2009, 02:34 PM
remcook And that's the reason why they expect most bit... Feb 13 2009, 03:54 PM
dvandorn The dynamics of the impact also affect the kinetic... Feb 13 2009, 05:38 PM
mcaplinger As noted by kwan3217, there is already a very nice... Feb 13 2009, 05:41 PM
ugordan Via NSF.com - a couple of simulations showing debr... Feb 13 2009, 10:53 PM
Geert QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Feb 14 2009, 12:41 AM... Feb 14 2009, 02:42 AM
Vultur It will be interesting to see how (or if) regulato... Feb 14 2009, 02:47 AM
Leither QUOTE (Vultur @ Feb 14 2009, 03:47 AM) It... Feb 14 2009, 08:23 PM
nprev Well, the right answer IMHO would be at this point... Feb 14 2009, 04:22 AM
ngunn From SpaceWeather:
"LISTEN UP: The US Air Fo... Feb 14 2009, 01:41 PM
leper I'm surprised this happened in my lifetime... Feb 15 2009, 12:30 AM
Juramike CNN reporting that a fireball was imaged and sonic... Feb 16 2009, 02:11 AM
nprev Hmm. The speed of the object is fairly slow, which... Feb 16 2009, 02:46 AM
PhilCo126 Another weblink with the video footage:
http://www... Feb 16 2009, 07:29 AM
Exploitcorporations I've been following this story with astonishme... Feb 17 2009, 03:44 AM
mcaplinger http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1314/1 is a ... Feb 23 2009, 02:48 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Feb 23 2009, 10:48 AM... Feb 23 2009, 04:42 PM
helvick Nice post on the collision by Diandra over at Cock... Feb 23 2009, 06:12 PM
Tom Womack QUOTE (helvick @ Feb 23 2009, 06:12 PM) N... Feb 24 2009, 01:39 PM![]() ![]() |
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