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Meridiani Ice theory, New theory for the formation of the Meridiani bedrock
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post Feb 17 2009, 12:48 PM
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Hi all, long time no see.
Yet another theory to explain the origin for the bedrock encountered by Opportunity.
I first heard of this new theory from Universe Today;

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/02/16/ne...t-mars-equator/

An abstract is available at http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/nc...bs/ngeo438.html

The theory is interesting, but I would really be interested to know how it explains the spherules seen by Opportunity not to mention the vugs.
Thoughts any one?


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post Mar 3 2009, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE (Shaka @ Mar 2 2009, 10:47 PM) *
I have to say that for a feature so vigorously celebrated by the MER P.I.s, clear examples of festoons have proven to be 'rare birds'. I was hoping the walls of Victoria Crater would provide a few examples.

I may be mis-remembering, but I thought unofficial identifications had been made? See, e.g,. http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...ost&p=82403 ;
http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...st&p=106462

I could have sworn festooned cross-bed forms had been spotted in the ramp surface at Duck Bay, and in Cape St Mary / Cape Verde? unsure.gif


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post Mar 4 2009, 01:09 AM
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... I could have sworn festooned cross-bed forms had been spotted in the ramp surface at Duck Bay, and in Cape St Mary / Cape Verde? unsure.gif

Yes, and apparent festoon-like features are also exposed towards the lower right of Cape Victory, imaged just before Victoria Crater was left behind last October:
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...G3P2365R2M1.JPG
As Shaka notes, it is perhaps safest not to make too much of these cape exposures, inasmuch as they were not officially commented upon, and could not be examined up close. Of course, it might have been safest for all concerned if apparent festoon-like features seen in exposures elsewhere had not been commented upon either, because the claims initially made for them seem inconsistent with later data and interpretations.

Paul N. - There's no evidence of any "valley network" associated with any festoon-like feature seen yet, or for any channels or other obvious liquid water-related features at all, which is one reason why Paul Knauth and I are, like you, unconvinced. The ephemeral valley networks seen elsewhere on Mars seem to be associated with considerably older surfaces than the top surface of Meridiani.

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- Doc   Meridiani Ice theory   Feb 17 2009, 12:48 PM
- - Juramike   Interesting! (Corrected Universe Today link h...   Feb 17 2009, 02:22 PM
- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Doc @ Feb 17 2009, 07:48 AM) The t...   Feb 17 2009, 03:51 PM
- - Doc   Exactly Centsworth, c'mon people start brainst...   Feb 17 2009, 04:06 PM
- - sariondil   Regarding the vugs, the article says they originat...   Feb 17 2009, 04:36 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (sariondil @ Feb 17 2009, 11:36 AM)...   Feb 17 2009, 04:45 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE (sariondil @ Feb 17 2009, 09:36 AM)...   Feb 17 2009, 10:52 PM
- - ngunn   Once you postulate a thick ice cover I suppose you...   Feb 17 2009, 04:49 PM
- - imipak   ngunn, could you elaborate on what a "closed ...   Feb 17 2009, 09:13 PM
|- - ngunn   QUOTE (imipak @ Feb 17 2009, 09:13 PM) ...   Feb 17 2009, 10:31 PM
- - Paul Niles   I'm glad to see a few people here that are int...   Feb 17 2009, 10:25 PM
- - ngunn   Hey - Paul Niles, welcome! More please - most...   Feb 17 2009, 10:39 PM
- - Floyd   Welcome Paul Niles. It is always great to have au...   Feb 17 2009, 11:39 PM
- - Paul Niles   For those of you so inclined, you can read my LPSC...   Feb 18 2009, 01:00 PM
- - ngunn   Thanks for that - it's a very interesting read...   Feb 18 2009, 01:28 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (ngunn @ Feb 18 2009, 08:28 AM) Tha...   Feb 18 2009, 04:17 PM
- - Doc   Wow, thanks for abstract Niles. This is certainly ...   Feb 18 2009, 04:01 PM
- - Paul Niles   The idea -- as it pertains to the rest of Mars -- ...   Feb 18 2009, 10:51 PM
- - ngunn   Thanks Paul, that's very informative. I can se...   Feb 18 2009, 11:34 PM
- - dvandorn   I seem to recall asking, in the extensive and now ...   Feb 19 2009, 03:36 AM
- - Paul Niles   I have no Map nor do I know if a map exists. Defin...   Feb 19 2009, 05:09 AM
- - Shaka   Having at last gained access to and read your pape...   Feb 25 2009, 10:16 PM
- - Paul Niles   I love the "icy test tubes model" -- can...   Mar 2 2009, 04:36 PM
- - Shaka   Please accept "icy test-tubes" with my b...   Mar 2 2009, 10:47 PM
- - imipak   QUOTE (Shaka @ Mar 2 2009, 10:47 PM) I ha...   Mar 3 2009, 08:57 PM
|- - dburt   QUOTE ... I could have sworn festooned cross-bed f...   Mar 4 2009, 01:09 AM
- - Shaka   I've been looking hard for festoons for years ...   Mar 3 2009, 10:27 PM
- - Paul Niles   I've never been too convinced by the "fes...   Mar 4 2009, 12:39 AM


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