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May 12 2009, 02:29 AM
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We may have the same scenery for quite a while. From the latest release:
QUOTE The rover team... has suspended driving Spirit temporarily while studying the ground around the rover and planning simulation tests of driving options with a test rover... "Spirit is in a very difficult situation," JPL's John Callas... said Monday. "We are proceeding methodically and cautiously. It may be weeks before we try moving Spirit again."
In the past week, the digging-in of Spirit's wheels has raised concerns that the rover's belly pan could now be low enough to contact rocks underneath the chassis, which would make getting out of the situation more difficult. |
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May 13 2009, 12:37 PM
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Before we go calling on Jawas or sending nprev to Mars full of beer and jerky, it'd be nice to have as much information about the situation as possible.
I'd like to get a look 'under' the rover. We can't get a 'clear' view with the MI on the IDD, but what about shadows. With the extra power that Spirit has available, would it be useful to look at the shadows she's casting late in the day and see what clearances Spirit has from the ground and a better idea of the current position of the wheels? Where is the sun setting right now at Gusev? With our knowledge of camera views, angles, distances, how much information can we come up with at UMSF about the situation on our own? Paolo has been very generous with the answers he has given so far, but he and the rest of the team are going to be busy for quite a while. Working out as much as we can ourselves would be an excellent exercise - and as Doug said, we should 'get creative, and we might get out!' We don't have our own rover or a Mars yard to test our ideas, but could we come up with another way to test strategies? This could be lots of fun... |
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May 13 2009, 01:12 PM
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... I'd like to get a look 'under' the rover. We can't get a 'clear' view with the MI on the IDD, but what about shadows. With the extra power that Spirit has available, would it be useful to look at the shadows she's casting late in the day and see what clearances Spirit has from the ground and a better idea of the current position of the wheels? Where is the sun setting right now at Gusev? ... Tried. Rover is oriented North-South (front towards North), and left side lower than the right side (negative roll) about 10-12deg (will know the exact angles in a short while). Therefore we need to take images at sunrise, the ideal time is 6:00-6:10. We got 5 NAVCAMs on the morning of sol 1902 between 5:50 and 6:13 (IIRC) and today (morning of sol 1905) we should have 5 more captured after this set. I have not seen these last 5 images but It looks like the sun is blocked by the top of Home Plate at the time the Sun would be aligned with the belly pan. Sigh. Hope this helps. Paolo -------------------- Disclaimer: all opinions, ideas and information included here are my own,and should not be intended to represent opinion or policy of my employer.
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fredk Getting Unstuck in West Valley May 12 2009, 02:29 AM
alan I've been seeing this listed on the tracking s... May 12 2009, 02:51 AM
RoverDriver QUOTE (alan @ May 11 2009, 07:51 PM) I... May 12 2009, 03:06 AM
nprev Oh, boy. Thanks for the update, and good luck, ... May 12 2009, 05:17 AM
alan My guess for the location of the wheels.
Also i... May 12 2009, 05:45 AM
RoverDriver QUOTE (alan @ May 11 2009, 10:45 PM) My g... May 12 2009, 09:47 AM
alan QUOTE (RoverDriver @ May 12 2009, 04:47 A... May 12 2009, 01:24 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (alan @ May 12 2009, 05:24 AM) ???
... May 12 2009, 07:56 PM
alan QUOTE (RoverDriver @ May 12 2009, 02:56 P... May 12 2009, 08:15 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (alan @ May 12 2009, 12:15 PM) The ... May 12 2009, 08:17 PM
Sunspot Looks like some people think we may be here for th... May 12 2009, 07:20 AM
RoverDriver QUOTE (Sunspot @ May 11 2009, 11:20 PM) L... May 12 2009, 10:33 AM
djellison He's being the worst kind of pessimist...a pes... May 12 2009, 10:49 AM
ElkGroveDan Here's a wild thought that would be more a lat... May 12 2009, 01:24 PM
MahFL If anyone on the planet Earth can get us out, it i... May 12 2009, 02:00 PM

RoverDriver QUOTE (MahFL @ May 12 2009, 06:00 AM) If ... May 12 2009, 08:06 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ May 12 2009, 05:24 A... May 12 2009, 08:03 PM
charborob Seeing how the rovers are so vulnerable to getting... May 12 2009, 01:59 PM
SpaceListener I still believe we can rescue Spirit. The things t... May 12 2009, 04:18 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (SpaceListener @ May 12 2009, 08:18... May 12 2009, 08:13 PM
Stu Is this roughly the right position?
http://cumbr... May 12 2009, 04:18 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (Stu @ May 12 2009, 08:18 AM) Is th... May 12 2009, 08:16 PM
Stu QUOTE (RoverDriver @ May 12 2009, 09:16 P... May 12 2009, 09:37 PM
nprev You got that right!!! Go, Paolo... May 12 2009, 04:26 PM
Phil Stooke "Is this roughly the right position?"
N... May 12 2009, 04:28 PM
Stu SO wrong to laugh at that Phil, but I couldn't... May 12 2009, 04:35 PM
Phil Stooke A very, very, very bad man! (waggles finger)
... May 12 2009, 04:50 PM
nprev Well, if worst comes to worst, just land MSL nearb... May 12 2009, 05:27 PM
Stu QUOTE (nprev @ May 12 2009, 06:27 PM)
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Oersted I suggest a new thread called "Getting unstuc... May 12 2009, 05:57 PM
imipak From an article Tweeted by MarsRoverDriver:
QUOTE... May 12 2009, 06:56 PM
HughFromAlice QUOTE (imipak @ May 13 2009, 04:26 AM) ... May 12 2009, 08:37 PM
djellison Now I wish I'd made building a 1/4 scale mobil... May 12 2009, 07:45 PM
lyford Pardon my ignorance, but what does the term ... May 12 2009, 08:27 PM
nprev "High-centered" usually means that the v... May 12 2009, 08:35 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (nprev @ May 12 2009, 01:35 PM) ... May 12 2009, 09:19 PM
marsophile This is maybe grasping at a straw, but is the soil... May 12 2009, 09:07 PM
nprev Got it; I used the truck analogy for illustration ... May 12 2009, 09:23 PM
nprev Here's another unsolicited silly idea: Can you... May 12 2009, 09:30 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (nprev @ May 12 2009, 02:30 PM) Her... May 12 2009, 09:33 PM
SpaceListener A question, when MER landed on Mars, its six wheel... May 12 2009, 09:36 PM
nprev Hmm. How about rocking it? That would be a 60 deg ... May 12 2009, 09:40 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (nprev @ May 12 2009, 02:40 PM) Hmm... May 13 2009, 12:36 AM
BrianL Paolo, could you move your seat forward a bit? I d... May 12 2009, 10:02 PM
nprev ...fortunately, my legs are retractable!
BTW,... May 12 2009, 10:04 PM
Oersted I wonder if the arm could usefully push against th... May 12 2009, 10:34 PM
fredk Here are a couple of anaglyphs showing our current... May 12 2009, 10:47 PM
nprev You're welcome! Hope it helps; looks lik... May 13 2009, 01:46 AM
Tesheiner Good luck with the testing, Paolo. Fingers crossed... May 13 2009, 05:44 AM
climber Crazy idea, but well...
On Earth, to get free from... May 13 2009, 08:48 AM
RoverDriver QUOTE (climber @ May 13 2009, 01:48 AM) C... May 13 2009, 01:14 PM
djellison Already mentioned was perhaps pushing rocks toward... May 13 2009, 08:57 AM
djellison I THINK - the current location is in here - http:/... May 13 2009, 09:03 AM
jamescanvin Yeah Doug that is the same one as the colour image... May 13 2009, 09:28 AM
RoverDriver QUOTE (jamescanvin @ May 13 2009, 02:28 A... May 13 2009, 01:17 PM
djellison For those pondering IDD shoving/pulling etc.
ht... May 13 2009, 10:18 AM
HughFromAlice QUOTE (djellison @ May 13 2009, 07:48 PM)... May 13 2009, 09:47 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (HughFromAlice @ May 13 2009, 01:47... May 14 2009, 02:32 AM
Stu So, what you're saying, Mr Data, is that that ... May 13 2009, 10:28 AM
Oersted Yes, Doug, that was what I was thinking of, not ju... May 13 2009, 10:36 AM
Stu Maybe Spirit just needs a lift from some passing n... May 13 2009, 10:54 AM
djellison Paolo mentioned that driving motion and IDD motion... May 13 2009, 11:23 AM
nprev Heck, just give me three Saturn V launches, 200 ke... May 13 2009, 11:42 AM
alan QUOTE (Astro0 @ May 13 2009, 07:37 AM) I... May 13 2009, 12:47 PM
nprev Well summarized, Astro0.
I for one am very curio... May 13 2009, 12:54 PM
Astro0 I don't think that we are that far between Tsi... May 13 2009, 01:06 PM
Astro0 RoverDriver (Paolo) said: 'Tried'...'S... May 13 2009, 01:30 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (Astro0 @ May 13 2009, 05:30 AM) Ro... May 14 2009, 02:06 AM
marsophile How much force is the wind exerting on or under th... May 13 2009, 03:31 PM
fredk I really liked the low sun angle shadow idea, but ... May 13 2009, 03:52 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (fredk @ May 13 2009, 07:52 AM) ...... May 14 2009, 02:10 AM
Tesheiner I think it's worth a try.
QUOTE (RoverDriver ... May 13 2009, 04:10 PM
hendric Could a shiny and rounded side be put onto MSL... May 13 2009, 04:43 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (hendric @ May 13 2009, 11:43 AM) C... May 13 2009, 04:50 PM
djellison QUOTE (hendric @ May 13 2009, 05:43 PM) C... May 13 2009, 05:47 PM
fredk Back on sol 373 Oppy's front hazcam caught an ... May 13 2009, 05:16 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (fredk @ May 13 2009, 09:16 AM) Bac... May 14 2009, 02:12 AM
fredk Or, for that matter, what about using the MI to di... May 13 2009, 05:23 PM
algorimancer QUOTE (fredk @ May 13 2009, 11:23 AM) ...... May 13 2009, 05:34 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (algorimancer @ May 13 2009, 09:34 ... May 14 2009, 02:14 AM
tedstryk I have some deconvolution filters I use. I am a b... May 14 2009, 02:22 AM
RoverDriver QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 13 2009, 06:22 PM) ... May 14 2009, 02:33 AM
maycm Couple of thoughts….Not quite in the category of p... May 13 2009, 06:38 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (maycm @ May 13 2009, 10:38 AM) Cou... May 14 2009, 02:18 AM
nprev Hmm. Amplifying on your COG shift idea, Maycm, wha... May 13 2009, 07:01 PM
SpaceListener QUOTE (nprev @ May 13 2009, 02:01 PM) Hmm... May 13 2009, 07:53 PM
Tesheiner QUOTE (SpaceListener @ May 13 2009, 09:53... May 13 2009, 08:49 PM

SpaceListener QUOTE (Tesheiner @ May 13 2009, 03:49 PM)... May 14 2009, 01:24 AM


fredk QUOTE (SpaceListener @ May 14 2009, 02:24... May 14 2009, 01:50 AM

RoverDriver QUOTE (Tesheiner @ May 13 2009, 12:49 PM)... May 14 2009, 02:24 AM
RoverDriver QUOTE (SpaceListener @ May 13 2009, 11:53... May 14 2009, 02:22 AM
dot.dk Maybe some kind of "tank mode" driving c... May 13 2009, 09:08 PM
nprev QUOTE (dot.dk @ May 13 2009, 02:08 PM) Ma... May 13 2009, 10:26 PM
stevesliva QUOTE (dot.dk @ May 13 2009, 04:08 PM) Ma... May 13 2009, 10:29 PM
RoverDriver QUOTE (dot.dk @ May 13 2009, 01:08 PM) Ma... May 14 2009, 02:25 AM
climber Another idea regarding taking pictures. Can't ... May 13 2009, 09:51 PM
Fran Ontanaya On putting sand under the wheels to get traction, ... May 14 2009, 02:57 AM
RoverDriver QUOTE (Fran Ontanaya @ May 13 2009, 07:57... May 14 2009, 04:28 AM![]() ![]() |
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