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Getting Unstuck in West Valley |
May 28 2009, 03:00 PM
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Administrator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Chairman Posts: 13227 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
This will probably be the second time that Spirit has more power than the day she landed.Time to reopen the Gusev Crater Observatory and burn the midnight Whrs
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May 28 2009, 04:18 PM
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#257
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 4495 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Sloughhouse, CA Member No.: 197 |
With that much power it's time to spin the wheels so fast that the soil heats up and the grains melt and fuse. Then we let it cool down and drive out over the now solid surface.
-------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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May 28 2009, 07:33 PM
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![]() Special Cookie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2149 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra | Portugal Member No.: 228 |
Paulo, I hope you do find him, I can only imagine what a thrill it would be for him! That shouldn't be hard, Julian's dad works for NASA...it must be something in the genes... -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!"
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May 28 2009, 08:42 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2560 Joined: 14-February 06 From: Very close to the Pyrénées Mountains (France) Member No.: 682 |
But Squyres has said that the timing of at least one cleaning event suggested something more localized, like a dust devil. I'm surprised Doug didn't make any comments on this Even the boss is trying to drive you mad PS: for newcomers it'll be a too loooong story to explain... |
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May 29 2009, 01:10 AM
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#260
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 6474 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Time to reopen the Gusev Crater Observatory and burn the midnight Whrs Great idea, as long as we're sitting here! A couple of evening Phobos/Deimos transit movies would certainly be interesting. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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May 29 2009, 07:09 AM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2164 Joined: 1-December 04 From: Marble Falls, Texas, USA Member No.: 116 |
It was interesting to listen to SS in the recently posted NPR Science Friday interview. Along with all of you, I have been looking at the white material being churned up by some of Spirit's wheels, and wondering what it might be. There have been a few comments here referring to the white material as silica, but I couldn't find any references to support that conclusion.
As I recall, Spirit drove up and down Silica Valley, churning up a lot of white stuff, but not getting significantly bogged down. Long ago, she was almost stuck at or near Tyrone, where the white material was identified as ferric sulfate. There was another bright bog after leaving WH3, in the attempts to climb onto Home Plate or leave that area. I don't know if that bright material was identified. In the SF interview, Steve indicated that this most recent bright stuff is ferric sulfate. -------------------- ...Tom (thinks he should use more emoticons)
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May 29 2009, 08:30 AM
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Junior Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 22-September 08 Member No.: 4349 |
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May 29 2009, 01:17 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 4495 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Sloughhouse, CA Member No.: 197 |
I don't know how long the exposures can be, but going back to my teen years one of my favorite observing pastimes was taking long star trails to look for satellites slashing across the image. This was long before the Internet and easily available tracking data so I was left to wonder what it was that tumbled past creating dotted or dashed lines on my negatives. The processed photos were always great conversation starters In Mars' sky we know that there are several long lost orbiters. It would be a great challenge to attempt to rediscover one of them.
-------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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May 29 2009, 01:45 PM
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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 30-August 08 Member No.: 4326 |
Long time reader but first question. Is it possible that the back wheels on Spirit can turn forward while the front wheels are turning backward? This could use Spirit as its own resistive force rather than the dirt. If this is possible then would that action possibly raise the center of Spirit some small distance?
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May 29 2009, 02:20 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2735 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
There are several juicy tidbits in the latest Spirit update:
QUOTE A small (4-degree) backward wheel motion test was sequenced on Sol 1913 (May 21, 2009). The wheel and motor performed satisfactorily. A second, larger test (16 degrees) was performed on Sol 1916 (May 24, 2009), and again, the wheel performed satisfactorily, showing no signs of a jam in the backward direction. Pending the recertification of the IDD, a MI mosaic of Spirit's underbelly is planned for this coming weekend to assess the rover's embedded condition. But the best bit is we get to find out how much more than 800 Whrs we're at now: QUOTE As of Sol 1919 (May 27, 2009), solar array energy production was 843 watt-hours,... with atmospheric opacity (tau) around 0.606. The dust factor increased to 0.774 843! |
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May 29 2009, 04:43 PM
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![]() Martian Photographer ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 235 Joined: 3-March 05 Member No.: 183 |
I don't know how long the exposures can be, but going back to my teen years one of my favorite observing pastimes was taking long star trails to look for satellites slashing across the image. This was long before the Internet and easily available tracking data so I was left to wonder what it was that tumbled past creating dotted or dashed lines on my negatives. The processed photos were always great conversation starters In Mars' sky we know that there are several long lost orbiters. It would be a great challenge to attempt to rediscover one of them. See http://marswatch.astro.cornell.edu/pancam_...projects_2.html. One of the cool things for people who are familiar with star trail images on Earth is simply that they are different. The south circumpolar trails are different; Polaris has significant trailing. Even Orion is subtly "wrong". I need to get back to the data and make nice versions of more of the data ... Exposures can be up to about 5 and a half minutes. We didn't always use the maximum due to the density of cosmic rays in long exposures. But we have taken many star trail images as part of meteor and spacecraft searches. We briefly thought a long streak seen early was VO2--it was in a position somewhat consistent with the VO2 final orbit. After a detailed look at the orbit dynamics, we found that (a) it could not be verified as VO2 and ( |
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May 29 2009, 05:18 PM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2735 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
Along with all of you, I have been looking at the white material being churned up by some of Spirit's wheels, and wondering what it might be. I don't remember other white stuff we've dug up having such a granular appearance as the latest dig. Have a look at this pancam view, eg: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...DOP2283L7M1.JPG |
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May 29 2009, 09:58 PM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 22-December 07 From: Alice Springs, N.T. Australia Member No.: 3989 |
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May 30 2009, 06:32 AM
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2164 Joined: 1-December 04 From: Marble Falls, Texas, USA Member No.: 116 |
Yep...She's all powered up, but with no place to go. I hate that.
I don't remember other white stuff we've dug up having such a granular appearance as the latest dig. That's a good observation, fredk. As far as I know, we haven't seen that before. The granular bright stuff is different from that which we have seen at other sites. However, many of the recent images display abundant, powdery soil, as well. I'm a bit frightened by this recent trap. Thank goodness this rover is being commanded by such an amazing team. They'll find the way out, if there is one. -------------------- ...Tom (thinks he should use more emoticons)
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May 30 2009, 07:08 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderator Posts: 4159 Joined: 19-April 05 From: .br at .es Member No.: 253 |
QUOTE Pending the recertification of the IDD, a MI mosaic of Spirit's underbelly is planned for this coming weekend to assess the rover's embedded condition. That's tomorrowsol. 01922::p2906::02::1::0::0::1::0::2::mi_cover_open_minloss2_LUT3_crit 01922::p2906::02::1::0::0::1::0::2::mi_cover_open_minloss2_LUT3_crit ... 01922::p2976::00::1::0::0::1::0::2::mi_open_minloss2_LUT3_medium |
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