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Huygens - The Follow-up
SFJCody
post Jan 15 2005, 03:37 PM
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Is a Discovery class Titan lander/aerobot remotely conceivable?

It would be nice to see Cassini's relay capability get a second workout...
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post Jan 14 2007, 10:53 AM
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Regarding Argon and soviet mars probes, as I recall it...

Mars 3 was warming up instrumentation during descent for taking a panorama immediately after landing. Warming up may have been literally true: vaccuum tubes in some circuitry.

Mars 6 was prepping a mass spectrometer during descent for atmosphere composition analysis immediately upon landing. One of the very limited telemetry parameters transmitted during descent was a voltage or current on the mass spec's "ion pump" or something like that, that functions to maintain the vaccum in the analysis chamber. The pump current (i think) was abnormally high and way above expected levels. Since the vehicle was never heard from again after retrofire (followed within a fraction of a second of first impact, like the MER rovers), all they had was this anomalous engineering data to interpret. It could be reproduced by having a very significant amount of Argon in the atmosphere, which would be hard for the ion pump to trap or remove, compared with C02 or N2, and they suggested the atmosphere could be 30% or some largish fraction Argon, in addition to the CO2.

This was of major interest to the Viking GCMS team as their instrument was potentially damagable by ion pump overloading in a high argon atmosphere. As it turned out, both argon and nitrogen are in the few percent range. 1.5 % and 2.5% or so for one and/or the other. <can't remember which is which>
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- SFJCody   Huygens - The Follow-up   Jan 15 2005, 03:37 PM
- - gpurcell   DISCOVERY class??? No way in Hell.   Jan 15 2005, 05:50 PM
- - tedstryk   Not unless it was piggyback on some larger mission...   Jan 15 2005, 06:19 PM
- - lyford   Unless you meant this Discovery class: Sweet...   Jan 15 2005, 07:24 PM
- - SFJCody   Perhaps China or India will become convinced that ...   Jan 15 2005, 09:06 PM
- - djellison   I certainly think a blimp or similar would be a wi...   Jan 15 2005, 09:18 PM
- - tedstryk   India and China in 30 years maybe, but right now t...   Jan 15 2005, 09:44 PM
- - David   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 15 2005, 09:18 PM)I ce...   Jan 15 2005, 09:46 PM
- - djellison   Well - I was thinking a balloon - not a powered bl...   Jan 15 2005, 09:55 PM
- - SFJCody   The Titan helicopter Post-Cassini Exploration of...   Jan 15 2005, 10:11 PM
- - lyford   What about a fleet of these? You would need an o...   Jan 15 2005, 10:25 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   There has already been a great deal of design work...   Jan 16 2005, 02:36 AM
- - tedstryk   And indeed it should, after a few more icy satelli...   Jan 16 2005, 02:56 AM
- - SFJCody   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 16 2005, 02:36 AM)Bu...   Jan 16 2005, 03:21 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   First, the number of "shitheads" who thi...   Jan 16 2005, 04:15 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   One additional note: one of the Galileo mission...   Jan 16 2005, 04:22 AM
- - David   Well, I certainly don't want to say anything a...   Jan 16 2005, 04:30 AM
- - Mongo   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 16 2005, 04:15 AM).....   Jan 16 2005, 04:49 AM
|- - ustrax   "The Huygens Atmosphere Structure Instrument ...   Jan 12 2007, 05:12 PM
- - nprev   Hmm...the argon-40 ratio seems to indicate current...   Jan 12 2007, 05:23 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 12 2007, 05:23 PM) Hmm...   Jan 12 2007, 05:53 PM
- - nprev   If you think it's appropriate, then by all mea...   Jan 12 2007, 06:14 PM
|- - JRehling   I'm not sure the Argon 40 indicates current ac...   Jan 12 2007, 07:15 PM
- - edstrick   Argon 40 is a radioactive decay product of Potassi...   Jan 13 2007, 12:57 PM
- - nprev   Thanks for the great explanation (as usual! )...   Jan 13 2007, 06:31 PM
- - edstrick   Regarding Argon and soviet mars probes, as I recal...   Jan 14 2007, 10:53 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 14 2007, 02:53 AM) ...   Jan 14 2007, 05:18 PM
- - edstrick   As I recall from press release stuff last year, Hu...   Jan 14 2007, 11:20 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 14 2007, 03:20 AM) ...   Jan 15 2007, 12:49 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   Just a clarification...The actual numbers for Mars...   Jan 15 2007, 02:47 AM
- - edstrick   "Viking measured the % amount of carbon dioxi...   Jan 15 2007, 11:48 AM
- - JRehling   QUOTE (SFJCody @ Jan 15 2005, 07:37 AM) I...   Jan 15 2007, 09:43 PM
- - nprev   That's a glum but probably quite accurate asse...   Jan 15 2007, 10:29 PM
- - Rob Pinnegar   Regarding the idea of a Huygens follow-up: I sup...   Jan 16 2007, 02:24 PM


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