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Huygens - The Follow-up
SFJCody
post Jan 15 2005, 03:37 PM
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Is a Discovery class Titan lander/aerobot remotely conceivable?

It would be nice to see Cassini's relay capability get a second workout...
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post Jan 14 2007, 11:20 AM
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As I recall from press release stuff last year, Huygens saw little or no Argon36 and no Krypton and Xenon, despite a special concentrator for inert gasses that was to remove nitrogen and other reactive gasses from a sample for analysis during descent.

This means that Titan has *no* remnant of a primordial atmosphere of gasses trapped form the circum-saturn nebula.

This means that Titan either has *no* remnant of a primary outgassed atmosphere (formed immediately after accretion) that contained Argon, Krypton and Xenon that was physically trapped in the rocks and ices that form Titan, or that those gasses were never released from the interior <not likely, see below>.

This means that essentially 100% of the Argon 40 seen in Titan's atmosphere was outgassed progressively over it's history as a decay product of Potassium 40, and essentially zero % of the Argon 40 is primordial.

Thus, since the decay rate of K40 is known, and the total amount of K40 in Titan is approximately known (solar abundance in the rock component of Titan), we know that Titan has outgassed it's accumulated Ar40 with at least enough efficiency to put the observed amount in the atmosphere. This is ***NOT*** a trivial observation. The only things we don't know is (1) when the outgassing happened: efficiently and early, or more inefficently and later (when there was more Argon 40 produced) and (2) whether Titan has lost large amounts of Ar40 from it's atmosphere to space and has thus outgassed more than the observed amount.
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- SFJCody   Huygens - The Follow-up   Jan 15 2005, 03:37 PM
- - gpurcell   DISCOVERY class??? No way in Hell.   Jan 15 2005, 05:50 PM
- - tedstryk   Not unless it was piggyback on some larger mission...   Jan 15 2005, 06:19 PM
- - lyford   Unless you meant this Discovery class: Sweet...   Jan 15 2005, 07:24 PM
- - SFJCody   Perhaps China or India will become convinced that ...   Jan 15 2005, 09:06 PM
- - djellison   I certainly think a blimp or similar would be a wi...   Jan 15 2005, 09:18 PM
- - tedstryk   India and China in 30 years maybe, but right now t...   Jan 15 2005, 09:44 PM
- - David   QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 15 2005, 09:18 PM)I ce...   Jan 15 2005, 09:46 PM
- - djellison   Well - I was thinking a balloon - not a powered bl...   Jan 15 2005, 09:55 PM
- - SFJCody   The Titan helicopter Post-Cassini Exploration of...   Jan 15 2005, 10:11 PM
- - lyford   What about a fleet of these? You would need an o...   Jan 15 2005, 10:25 PM
- - BruceMoomaw   There has already been a great deal of design work...   Jan 16 2005, 02:36 AM
- - tedstryk   And indeed it should, after a few more icy satelli...   Jan 16 2005, 02:56 AM
- - SFJCody   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 16 2005, 02:36 AM)Bu...   Jan 16 2005, 03:21 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   First, the number of "shitheads" who thi...   Jan 16 2005, 04:15 AM
- - BruceMoomaw   One additional note: one of the Galileo mission...   Jan 16 2005, 04:22 AM
- - David   Well, I certainly don't want to say anything a...   Jan 16 2005, 04:30 AM
- - Mongo   QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 16 2005, 04:15 AM).....   Jan 16 2005, 04:49 AM
|- - ustrax   "The Huygens Atmosphere Structure Instrument ...   Jan 12 2007, 05:12 PM
- - nprev   Hmm...the argon-40 ratio seems to indicate current...   Jan 12 2007, 05:23 PM
|- - ustrax   QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 12 2007, 05:23 PM) Hmm...   Jan 12 2007, 05:53 PM
- - nprev   If you think it's appropriate, then by all mea...   Jan 12 2007, 06:14 PM
|- - JRehling   I'm not sure the Argon 40 indicates current ac...   Jan 12 2007, 07:15 PM
- - edstrick   Argon 40 is a radioactive decay product of Potassi...   Jan 13 2007, 12:57 PM
- - nprev   Thanks for the great explanation (as usual! )...   Jan 13 2007, 06:31 PM
- - edstrick   Regarding Argon and soviet mars probes, as I recal...   Jan 14 2007, 10:53 AM
|- - JRehling   QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 14 2007, 02:53 AM) ...   Jan 14 2007, 05:18 PM
- - edstrick   As I recall from press release stuff last year, Hu...   Jan 14 2007, 11:20 AM
|- - nprev   QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 14 2007, 03:20 AM) ...   Jan 15 2007, 12:49 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   Just a clarification...The actual numbers for Mars...   Jan 15 2007, 02:47 AM
- - edstrick   "Viking measured the % amount of carbon dioxi...   Jan 15 2007, 11:48 AM
- - JRehling   QUOTE (SFJCody @ Jan 15 2005, 07:37 AM) I...   Jan 15 2007, 09:43 PM
- - nprev   That's a glum but probably quite accurate asse...   Jan 15 2007, 10:29 PM
- - Rob Pinnegar   Regarding the idea of a Huygens follow-up: I sup...   Jan 16 2007, 02:24 PM


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