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Jan 15 2005, 03:37 PM
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Is a Discovery class Titan lander/aerobot remotely conceivable?
It would be nice to see Cassini's relay capability get a second workout... |
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Jan 14 2007, 11:20 AM
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As I recall from press release stuff last year, Huygens saw little or no Argon36 and no Krypton and Xenon, despite a special concentrator for inert gasses that was to remove nitrogen and other reactive gasses from a sample for analysis during descent.
This means that Titan has *no* remnant of a primordial atmosphere of gasses trapped form the circum-saturn nebula. This means that Titan either has *no* remnant of a primary outgassed atmosphere (formed immediately after accretion) that contained Argon, Krypton and Xenon that was physically trapped in the rocks and ices that form Titan, or that those gasses were never released from the interior <not likely, see below>. This means that essentially 100% of the Argon 40 seen in Titan's atmosphere was outgassed progressively over it's history as a decay product of Potassium 40, and essentially zero % of the Argon 40 is primordial. Thus, since the decay rate of K40 is known, and the total amount of K40 in Titan is approximately known (solar abundance in the rock component of Titan), we know that Titan has outgassed it's accumulated Ar40 with at least enough efficiency to put the observed amount in the atmosphere. This is ***NOT*** a trivial observation. The only things we don't know is (1) when the outgassing happened: efficiently and early, or more inefficently and later (when there was more Argon 40 produced) and (2) whether Titan has lost large amounts of Ar40 from it's atmosphere to space and has thus outgassed more than the observed amount. |
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SFJCody Huygens - The Follow-up Jan 15 2005, 03:37 PM
gpurcell DISCOVERY class??? No way in Hell. Jan 15 2005, 05:50 PM
tedstryk Not unless it was piggyback on some larger mission... Jan 15 2005, 06:19 PM
lyford Unless you meant this Discovery class:
Sweet... Jan 15 2005, 07:24 PM
SFJCody Perhaps China or India will become convinced that ... Jan 15 2005, 09:06 PM
djellison I certainly think a blimp or similar would be a wi... Jan 15 2005, 09:18 PM
tedstryk India and China in 30 years maybe, but right now t... Jan 15 2005, 09:44 PM
David QUOTE (djellison @ Jan 15 2005, 09:18 PM)I ce... Jan 15 2005, 09:46 PM
djellison Well - I was thinking a balloon - not a powered bl... Jan 15 2005, 09:55 PM
SFJCody The Titan helicopter
Post-Cassini Exploration of... Jan 15 2005, 10:11 PM
lyford What about a fleet of these?
You would need an o... Jan 15 2005, 10:25 PM
BruceMoomaw There has already been a great deal of design work... Jan 16 2005, 02:36 AM
tedstryk And indeed it should, after a few more icy satelli... Jan 16 2005, 02:56 AM
SFJCody QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 16 2005, 02:36 AM)Bu... Jan 16 2005, 03:21 AM
BruceMoomaw First, the number of "shitheads" who thi... Jan 16 2005, 04:15 AM
BruceMoomaw One additional note: one of the Galileo mission... Jan 16 2005, 04:22 AM
David Well, I certainly don't want to say anything a... Jan 16 2005, 04:30 AM
Mongo QUOTE (BruceMoomaw @ Jan 16 2005, 04:15 AM)..... Jan 16 2005, 04:49 AM
ustrax "The Huygens Atmosphere Structure Instrument ... Jan 12 2007, 05:12 PM
nprev Hmm...the argon-40 ratio seems to indicate current... Jan 12 2007, 05:23 PM
ustrax QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 12 2007, 05:23 PM) Hmm... Jan 12 2007, 05:53 PM
nprev If you think it's appropriate, then by all mea... Jan 12 2007, 06:14 PM
JRehling I'm not sure the Argon 40 indicates current ac... Jan 12 2007, 07:15 PM
edstrick Argon 40 is a radioactive decay product of Potassi... Jan 13 2007, 12:57 PM
nprev Thanks for the great explanation (as usual! )... Jan 13 2007, 06:31 PM
edstrick Regarding Argon and soviet mars probes, as I recal... Jan 14 2007, 10:53 AM
JRehling QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 14 2007, 02:53 AM) ... Jan 14 2007, 05:18 PM
nprev QUOTE (edstrick @ Jan 14 2007, 03:20 AM) ... Jan 15 2007, 12:49 PM
MarsIsImportant Just a clarification...The actual numbers for Mars... Jan 15 2007, 02:47 AM
edstrick "Viking measured the % amount of carbon dioxi... Jan 15 2007, 11:48 AM
JRehling QUOTE (SFJCody @ Jan 15 2005, 07:37 AM) I... Jan 15 2007, 09:43 PM
nprev That's a glum but probably quite accurate asse... Jan 15 2007, 10:29 PM
Rob Pinnegar Regarding the idea of a Huygens follow-up:
I sup... Jan 16 2007, 02:24 PM![]() ![]() |
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